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Old 02-11-2019, 02:57 PM
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Frost proof taps can still freeze and rupture inside the wall, I know from personal experience last year. I had the hoses disconnected on our house. Contractor came by and used the water, hooked the hose back up and left it on. When the turned the water off they never bleed the line. Then we had cold snap, line froze and ruptured the stem inside of the wall right where it thread into the water manifold block. Wife then turned the hose on in the spring and flooded our entire kitchen out.

Now I make sure all lines are removed and the faucets have covers on them.
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Originally Posted by davepl View Post
Here's a pic - I had no idea, so thanks Flange! I also don't think I have that much depth, but I might!

The problem comes when you get a freeze in the 6-30 " area because water did not drain out. A hard freeze and the pipe splits. No problem until you open the valve and water runs out inside the wall through the split pipe.

Commonly happens 1: Plumber installed with an upward slope 2: slow leaking valve 3. leaving the garden hose attached in cold weather.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:01 PM
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just turn off the water to the outside faucets and drain the pipe
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Originally Posted by TJay74 View Post
Frost proof taps can still freeze and rupture inside the wall, I know from personal experience last year. I had the hoses disconnected on our house. Contractor came by and used the water, hooked the hose back up and left it on. When the turned the water off they never bleed the line. Then we had cold snap, line froze and ruptured the stem inside of the wall right where it thread into the water manifold block. Wife then turned the hose on in the spring and flooded our entire kitchen out.

Now I make sure all lines are removed and the faucets have covers on them.

Well the hose was left on defeats the safeguard. Not really the FF tap to blame.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:07 PM
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just turn off the water to the outside faucets and drain the pipe
say what, tap off ,what water is there to drain?
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:17 PM
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say what, tap off ,what water is there to drain?
The water that's already in there. Once you turn off the water from inside the house you still have to go open the faucet to let the water out.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:18 PM
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The water that's already in there. Once you turn off the water from inside the house you still have to go open the faucet to let the water out.
This is what I do never a problem
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Originally Posted by mrscott25 View Post
The problem comes when you get a freeze in the 6-30 " area because water did not drain out. A hard freeze and the pipe splits. No problem until you open the valve and water runs out inside the wall through the split pipe.

Commonly happens 1: Plumber installed with an upward slope 2: slow leaking valve 3. leaving the garden hose attached in cold weather.
This.

I had #3 happen several years ago. It was our first house with the freeze-resistant faucets (previous house had basement ball valves that you shut off, then opened the outside tap to drain), so I didn't know that I needed to disconnect the hose. All seemed fine until I turned on the faucet, and my wife came outside yelling that water was pouring into the basement. Learned my lesson there; fortunately the basement was unfinished so no real damage other than replacing the split pipe..

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Originally Posted by davepl View Post
Ok, so I know all the jokes because I've been a plummer for 50 years now.
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Thanks! So outdoor taps are actually special somehow in that the shutoff mechanism is further inside? A diagram would be handy if anyone knows what to search for (besides outdoor tap)...
You were a plummer for 50 yrs?

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Old 02-11-2019, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by davepl View Post
I never said that. Even so, I did have a life before going back to school though. I've worked in hardware (like Ace) for about 10 years, worked in paint stores for a few. Cut window glass which is a bit of an art and I got pretty decent (but nothing like my Dad, who was a virtuoso with a scribe and a break).

Hell, I worked the graveyard shift at 7-Eleven, I'm not proud. I never claimed to be some baller, that's a narrative from someone else - I grew up in a 930 square foot house. I still have my first baseball glove, football, bat, car, and wife. I'm a high school dropout immigrant.

And yes, I can accomplish most plumbing tasks, but am not now, nor have I ever been, nor claimed to be, a professional plumber. But I did just get called out this morning to work with the fire department on a broken pipe, actually. If you guys spent more time asking questions and less trying for lame flames, you'd learn interesting stuff.
Like fish in a barrel.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FLEXjs View Post
The water that's already in there. Once you turn off the water from inside the house you still have to go open the faucet to let the water out.
I had another look , there was another valve alright.....but was thinking outside tap should have the vac part, all works anyway.
It's a contractor built home so done on the cheap. I mainly needed a good size yard for the dog.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:41 PM
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I started a thread on this subject last year. Lemme find it.
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so you're related to Jake?
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Originally Posted by davepl View Post
I never said that. Even so, I did have a life before going back to school though. I've worked in hardware (like Ace) for about 10 years, worked in paint stores for a few. Cut window glass which is a bit of an art and I got pretty decent (but nothing like my Dad, who was a virtuoso with a scribe and a break).

Hell, I worked the graveyard shift at 7-Eleven, I'm not proud. I never claimed to be some baller, that's a narrative from someone else - I grew up in a 930 square foot house. I still have my first baseball glove, football, bat, car, and wife. I'm a high school dropout immigrant.

And yes, I can accomplish most plumbing tasks, but am not now, nor have I ever been, nor claimed to be, a professional plumber. But I did just get called out this morning to work with the fire department on a broken pipe, actually. If you guys spent more time asking questions and less trying for lame flames, you'd learn interesting stuff.
I'll agree with that much; but, you did say this "I've been a plummer for 50 years now". Now, there's a big damn difference between saying "I've been a plummer..." and saying "I've done some plumbing now for over 50 years". But, in your case I still think the chit is getting too damn deep for me to risk hanging around any longer . . .
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:08 AM
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Isn’t his last name Plummer ? And he’s 50. You guys are really dropping the ball lately. No wonder he doesn’t like anyone here
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Originally Posted by BadUmp View Post
Originally Posted by FLEXjs View Post
1) What kind of plumbing did you do for Microsoft?

2) Wouldn't someone with 50 years of experience know how to spell "plumber" ???

3) Every year I forget to close the water valve and open my outside tap and other than wrecking a hose and/or nozzle I've never had any issues. But I have a finished/heated basement so that's probably why.
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A self proclaimed *plumber coming to OT to ask a plumbing question...................you can't make this chit up..................well I guess you can
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Just bought a new home, the 2 outside taps do not have a vac break? guess will cover for now.They look like normal taps not frost free.

Had a home inspector no mention of taps? are new homes coded to have FF outside taps?

We have had frost but not frozen, knock on wood(my head)

ps surely a plumber knows of the long stem FF taps.
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You were a plummer for 50 yrs?
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I'll agree with that much; but, you did say this "I've been a plummer for 50 years now". Now, there's a big damn difference between saying "I've been a plummer..." and saying "I've done some plumbing now for over 50 years". But, in your case I still think the chit is getting too damn deep for me to risk hanging around any longer . . .
You dipshits if you're going to troll him at least try to remember what he has told us.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:11 AM
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Isnít his last name Plummer ? And heís 50. You guys are really dropping the ball lately. No wonder he doesnít like anyone here
You gave up the joke too easily!
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You gave up the joke too easily!
Iím hoping he gets bored. 12 days was last week some time :kickdirt:
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