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Old 07-10-2019, 05:16 PM
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If it's on the road, why would it be in P?
Attempting to restart maybe.
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Originally Posted by ptindall View Post
Attempting to restart maybe.
So it can go from D to P without power, but not P to N?
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I'm in a hotel room and bored, so I used this neat thing called Google. Here's what it said:

Most push button start cars will not start unless the brake pedal is pressed down.If you push the button twice without touching the brake, it will put it into the run position. Then you can press the brake and shift the vehicle into neutral without having to start the engine.


We can all sleep better now that we've minimized a HUGE safety concern.

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I just discovered that fixing a HUGE safety concern makes one thirsty, so it's time for a beer.

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I just discovered that fixing a HUGE safety concern makes one thirsty, so it's time for a beer.

After saving countless lives, I'd say you deserve a cold beer.

If I were there, I'd buy it for you as a measure of the population's gratitude.

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Originally Posted by Steve_R View Post
I'm in a hotel room and bored, so I used this neat thing called Google. Here's what it said:



We can all sleep better now that we've minimized a HUGE safety concern.

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Uhhhh, no. Take note of the request at the opening of the thread. Make/Model specific. Earlier someone posted the mechanical override that Audi uses in their SUV's in order to place the vehicle into neutral (powerloss or other).

The Alfa Romeo's do not have any bypass and the "2-press" button trick does not work.

What if there is a power loss?

What does GM do for the C7 slushomatic cars?
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So it can go from D to P without power, but not P to N?
In the OP's scenario, the car has electrical power but the engine will not start. He says you can't shift out of park in this case. I don't know if that's true. I assume you can shift into park with the engine off. So assuming he is correct, and the car runs out of gas and dies in traffic, I would expect the driver to put the car in park, attempt to restart the engine, fail, and then be unable to shift out of park. Again, if the OP is correct about that aspect.

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My 2017 push button car.. push it once and it's in the accessory position, or push it with the clutch down it starts.. if I need to put it in neutral, I just put it in neutral, no need to bother with the push button at all.. (since it's a manual)
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Uhhhh, no. Take note of the request at the opening of the thread. Make/Model specific. Earlier someone posted the mechanical override that Audi uses in their SUV's in order to place the vehicle into neutral (powerloss or other).

The Alfa Romeo's do not have any bypass and the "2-press" button trick does not work.

What if there is a power loss?

What does GM do for the C7 slushomatic cars?
Good God man, have you never heard of Google, or do you just let others do everything for you?

If a C7 with auto trans is in park, you push the button once to put it into accessory mode and then shift it into neutral. Engine does not have to be running.

NOW it's time for a beer.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:33 PM
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So it can go from D to P without power, but not P to N?
Correct.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve_R View Post
Good God man, have you never heard of Google, or do you just let others do everything for you?

If a C7 with auto trans is in park, you push the button once to put it into accessory mode and then shift it into neutral. Engine does not have to be running.

NOW it's time for a beer.
I've been told that this is a "discussion" forum and all conversations are had to protect the innocent.
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
Uhhhh, no. Take note of the request at the opening of the thread. Make/Model specific. Earlier someone posted the mechanical override that Audi uses in their SUV's in order to place the vehicle into neutral (powerloss or other).

The Alfa Romeo's do not have any bypass and the "2-press" button trick does not work.

What if there is a power loss?

What does GM do for the C7 slushomatic cars?
Two different questions.

Some cars have a mechanical override to shift the car out of park , some don't.

The OP had power, but the car wasn't starting. If the car has power, then, AFAIK, all push button start cars have the ability to put it to some sort of equiavilent of "on" on a keyed vehicle. Where the entire vehicle is powered on, but the engine is not running. Which is not the same as Acc mode.

The C7 (and C6) autos have a mode known as Service or Service Only. Press the start button for 5-10 seconds until the dash lights up. You can even run codes in this mode, even if you can't or shouldn't start the car. From the factory, neither have a way to shift to some other gear absent power.

As was said recently: Mine has a button where an OM pops out so I can read all the about the features of the car about with I'm not familiar.
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:49 AM
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On a Ferrari 458Spyder there is a tool in the kit that is inserted in the engine bay...and turned, to manually unlock park.

Now you know that
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Old 07-11-2019, 06:56 AM
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I usually leave the car in gear. If so I’d push in the clutch and move that thing in the middle until it feels loose.

Sometimes I just leave it loose when I turn off the car just to avoid a huge safety hazard.
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On my '18 Optima, push the start button without your foot on the brake to put it in accessory mode, the shifter unlocks. If the car has lost battery power, there is a manual unlock on the console.
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Originally Posted by Carguy2112 View Post
On my '18 Optima, push the start button without your foot on the brake to put it in accessory mode, the shifter unlocks. If the car has lost battery power, there is a manual unlock on the console.
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
On newer cars with electronic start/stop buttons and electronic shifters, can you put the car into "neutral" by turning on accessory only power. In other words, the motor is not running, accessory power only, can you put your car into neutral.

What year is your car and make/model if you cannot put it into neutral under accessory power only?

To me, this is a huge safety issue. I've heard that the latest Alfa Romeo Giulia's do not allow you to put the car into neutral unless the motor is running.

Curious how different car makes handle this?
You can put the Porsche 911 (991) into neutral for PDK without the engine running but they state that you have to restart the car to confirm that it is in neutral. Not sure if turning the car actually puts it in neutral or not until you turn the engine on. (There is a tool you can use to access the PDK selector cable lock release to performing an emergency release of PDK selector lever if needed.) They caution against towing faster than 30 mph and no further than 30 miles.

The upcoming 992 has an electronic shifter toggle instead of a conventional selector lever, not sure how it would work with that one.

For towing, they recommend a flatbed anyways for PDK cars.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Carguy2112 View Post
On my '18 Optima, push the start button without your foot on the brake to put it in accessory mode, the shifter unlocks. If the car has lost battery power, there is a manual unlock on the console.
I think just about all vehicles with standard shifters have that option. OP is talking about electronic shifters like my Q7, not linkage like in your Optima.
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I think just about all vehicles with standard shifters have that option. OP is talking about electronic shifters like my Q7, not linkage like in your Optima.
Yeap, electronic shifted transmissions. Though, in either case, there needs to be a way to manually (or electrically) override the trans to go into neutral.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:27 AM
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If it’s a traditional torque converter / hydraulic / planetary type automatic, any gear will be neutral if the engine is not running because it depends on hydraulic pressure from the front pump to apply clutches.
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