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Old 07-10-2019, 10:30 AM
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On newer cars with electronic start/stop buttons and electronic shifters, can you put the car into "neutral" by turning on accessory only power. In other words, the motor is not running, accessory power only, can you put your car into neutral.

What year is your car and make/model if you cannot put it into neutral under accessory power only?

To me, this is a huge safety issue. I've heard that the latest Alfa Romeo Giulia's do not allow you to put the car into neutral unless the motor is running.

Curious how different car makes handle this?
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I would imagine it has to be in the run equivalent to put in neutral like key started cars.
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I know my 2018 Audi Q7 has a means to place it in neutral if there is no power, like dead battery. Under the driver side floor mat is a cover you open and insert a wrench into.

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I would imagine it has to be in the run equivalent to put in neutral like key started cars.
Most key started cars allow you to, Power On, foot on brake, move trans selector into neutral.

Electronically controlled trans cars, not so much
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Originally Posted by Force-1 View Post
I know my 2018 Audi Q7 has a means to place it in neutral if there is no power, like dead battery. Under the driver side floor mat is a cover you open and insert a wrench into.


That's awesome. Thanks for sharing. Would you believe the Alfa Romeo Giulia's do not have any way of overriding into neutral? 4-wheel dolly if the car is dead, no power or motor won't start.
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
Most key started cars allow you to, Power On, foot on brake, move trans selector into neutral.

Electronically controlled trans cars, not so much
So you were talking about the battery being dead. I thought you were asking about safety and it accidently being put into nuetral while just in ACC mode.



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So you were talking about the battery being dead. I thought you were asking about safety and it accidently being put into nuetral while just in ACC mode.
Not necessarily battery dead. More along the lines of the car can be put into "accessory" mode. But, the electronic trans cannot be shifted into Neutral.
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My car has a key and it can't be put in nutreul in accessory mode. They key has to be in the run position, whether the engine is running or not.

A couple of friends have push button cars and each is a little different putting it in run or acc mode. That is if the battery is ok.

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How is it "a huge safety issue?"
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Originally Posted by scottycards View Post
The "for example" is if the car dies and cannot restart, the Giulia cannot be put into neutral.

Your link involves jacking up the car and getting underneath to install a mechanical bypass into the side of the transmission.

If your car dies in the middle of an intersection?

Audi seems to have this covered as noted earlier in this thread. I suspect other manufacturers have a quick way of overriding the car into Neutral. Alfa Romeo does not.
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Originally Posted by Steve_R View Post
How is it "a huge safety issue?"
Car dies on the road and cannot be moved/pushed to the side.
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
The "for example" is if the car dies and cannot restart, the Giulia cannot be put into neutral.

Your link involves jacking up the car and getting underneath to install a mechanical bypass into the side of the transmission.

If your car dies in the middle of an intersection?

Audi seems to have this covered as noted earlier in this thread. I suspect other manufacturers have a quick way of overriding the car into Neutral. Alfa Romeo does not.
Sounds like you got your answer.

I bet there's even more info over on the Giulia forums, if you were so inclined to seek it.
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
Car dies on the road and cannot be moved/pushed to the side.
If it's on the road, why would it be in P?
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Originally Posted by Axelrod View Post
Car dies on the road and cannot be moved/pushed to the side.
How often do you see that with modern cars?


Originally Posted by Meh View Post
If it's on the road, why would it be in P?
Shhhhh, don't bring logic into it, this is OT.
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Originally Posted by scottycards View Post
Sounds like you got your answer.

I bet there's even more info over on the Giulia forums, if you were so inclined to seek it.
I had the answer before you posted it. Thank you for the info of being the cart behind the horse.
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Originally Posted by Steve_R View Post
How often do you see that with modern cars?




Shhhhh, don't bring logic into it, this is OT.
It is rare. However, it is a huge safety concern.
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It is rare. However, it is a huge safety concern.
Huge, huh? If you say so.
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If it's on the road, why would it be in P?
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