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Old 07-12-2019, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MY03C5Z View Post
I was shocked this year to see my local Loweís go all in with Craftsman tools, they are front and center in their tool section. Last I checked they were still selling Kobalt though. If they arenít selling Kobalt, who is? Iíve bought quite a few Kobalt tools in the last few years while the future of Craftsman was looking questionable.
Kobalt was a Lowe's brand, until around 2011 they used some of the same OEMs (like Danaher) that made hand tools for the tool truck brands. I bought a bunch of Kobalt tools in the early aughts & they're the nicest tools I have. However by 2011 they'd mostly switched to lower quality OEMs, but they were still pretty good for the home gamer.

Here's the thread I use a lot when scoping out new tools, you can look up a tool off a truck to see if it's available under a cheaper brand. It's getting pretty tough however... It used to be pretty easy to find a Kobalt or Craftsman Pro branded version of a Snap-On/Matco branded Danaher or Williams, but it's pretty rare now to beat the system.

I mentioned this in the thread earlier, but now some brands (Caterpillar) are MORE expensive than SnapOn, for the exact same tool.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...d.php?t=136120
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:26 AM
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I have a mix of tools (Craftsman, Kobalt, Klein, etc.) and I always thought the old Kobalt tools were very well made but, man, Klein (to this cheapskate guy) make really nice tools - at least the ones I have. They just have a certain feel to them. I have noticed the newer Craftsman tools (mine are all 25+ years old) seem to be cheaply made compared to the older ones.
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I had to drive a ZR1 today as my Bugatti was in for it's annual $30,000 service. The 02019 Z felt so cheap to me
I hope you moved your Grey Poupon to the Z before dropping off the Bugatti.
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Originally Posted by psychodiagnostik View Post
Kobalt was a Lowe's brand, until around 2011 they used some of the same OEMs (like Danaher) that made hand tools for the tool truck brands. I bought a bunch of Kobalt tools in the early aughts & they're the nicest tools I have. However by 2011 they'd mostly switched to lower quality OEMs, but they were still pretty good for the home gamer.

Here's the thread I use a lot when scoping out new tools, you can look up a tool off a truck to see if it's available under a cheaper brand. It's getting pretty tough however... It used to be pretty easy to find a Kobalt or Craftsman Pro branded version of a Snap-On/Matco branded Danaher or Williams, but it's pretty rare now to beat the system.

I mentioned this in the thread earlier, but now some brands (Caterpillar) are MORE expensive than SnapOn, for the exact same tool.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...d.php?t=136120

Thats good info thanks. 90% of my tools are Craftsman, most of them I bought in the 80’s, and I have a set of 1/2” drive sockets from the 60’s/70’s. Those old sockets are very well made, never broke a single one of them. I guess I’ll stick with Craftsman if Lowe’s is going to carry them now. I have two Lowe’s 10 minutes from me and they are my go to Hardware store these days. At least I will be able to now get broken tools replaced again, since I gave up on dealing with Sears and their disaster the last few years.

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Originally Posted by MY03C5Z View Post
I was shocked this year to see my local Loweís go all in with Craftsman tools, they are front and center in their tool section. Last I checked they were still selling Kobalt though. If they arenít selling Kobalt, who is? Iíve bought quite a few Kobalt tools in the last few years while the future of Craftsman was looking questionable.
FWIW, I was in Lowes last week and they still had Kobalt tools in stock, but they did move the display deeper into "tool world".
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Old 07-12-2019, 06:56 PM
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All my tools are second-string. Craftsman and Tekton instead of Snap On. Hitachi and Ryobi instead of Festool. Grizzly and Jet instead of Laguna or Powermatic. I also have a Corvette and not a Ferrari. If I had frontline everything I wouldn't have a quarter of the stuff I have.

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After extensive research, I have found that I can lose expensive sockets just as easily as lesser sockets.
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Old 07-13-2019, 08:22 AM
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After extensive research, I have found that I can lose expensive sockets just as easily as lesser sockets.
For about a dollar, Harbor Freight sells socket racks that reduce that problem by about 98%.
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Originally Posted by K-Spaz View Post
For about a dollar, Harbor Freight sells socket racks that reduce that problem by about 98%.
I bought SAE and metric sets of these:



After a quick inventory it seems I have two different generations of Craftsman, newer Tektons, 4-5 Huskys and a couple mystery brands.Apparently over the years about 6-7 sockets went missing, so I went down to Lowes and filled them in with new Craftsman ones. I also ended up with about 20 duplicates. These were $9.95 for a set of three, so about $20 all together. It sure cleaned up my socket drawer.
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FWIW: Random comments.

(1) I forgot and left a newly bought Craftsman socket set outdoors. It was never rained on, but I suppose exposed to morning dew. I was really surprised to see the the sockets rusted on the sides exposed to the air. I think the quality of the chrome plate/steel is very poor. I've never seen sockets rust before.

(2) At a company I worked at, Snap-On tools were extensively used in the satellite manufacturing areas. $$$$$

(3) I do occasionally misplace tools..see item (1). However, I'm aware that family members "borrow" tools and don't bring them back.
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Originally Posted by jcsperson View Post
I bought SAE and metric sets of these:



After a quick inventory it seems I have two different generations of Craftsman, newer Tektons, 4-5 Huskys and a couple mystery brands.Apparently over the years about 6-7 sockets went missing, so I went down to Lowes and filled them in with new Craftsman ones. I also ended up with about 20 duplicates. These were $9.95 for a set of three, so about $20 all together. It sure cleaned up my socket drawer.

I use this style.


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Originally Posted by K-Spaz View Post
I use this style.
I can hardly make out the etched numbers on the sockets anymore. Those big numbers on the trays really help me out.
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When I used to wrench on cars for a living the craftsman wrenches had sharp edges so I switched to buying snapon. I still have them plus many other brands. Where I work now buys my tools and it seems all the companys are making smoother tools.
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Old 07-14-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jcsperson View Post
I can hardly make out the etched numbers on the sockets anymore. Those big numbers on the trays really help me out.
Most of Mind have pretty heavily etched or very large numbers so they're not too much of a problem. If that helps, that's all that matters. Bottom line is there is a hole when one is missing and you know when you're done with the job to continue hunting to put it back. A place for everything and everything in its place. People who just throw them in a bin lose sockets like there's no tomorrow. I've used the racks for 35 years now and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've lost a socket.
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I once had to drop the powerpack from a M1A1 with my Swiss army knife.
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And boy do they suck compared to snap on. At work we all have snap on boxes that were assigned and hand receipted from Uncle Sam. Anything goes missing we pay out of pocket. There is one guy thatís a temp with us and he gets the only craftsman box. He had to go work at a different armory today and I had to finish up a job in his bay and use his tools. They just feel cheap and the ratchets and ratcheting wrenches are loose and have a sloppy feel, and most are newer.

Iíve seen full time mechanics use craftsman and I donít know how. I have husky at home and it does just fine for little jobs and tinkering but anything major I take to the shop and use my work tools.

Small rant over.
If you'd have stuck with the RR the heaviest thing you'd be picking up is a reverser handle and your lunch in your grip.

Anyway, some of the Craftsman stuff is made in the USA again with the reconstituted US mfrs; just got a new 12" adjustable and it was of decent (though not fine) quality and reasonably tightly constructed. Gone is the nice and durable chrome plating on US stuff though.

Local hardware store is selling a few Pratt and Read branded tools these days; them and Western Forge made the Craftsman stuff back in the days of yore.

One of the better summaries of modern Craftsman:

http://alloy-artifacts.org/craftsman-maker-v.html


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Kobalt tools at Lowes are made by Snap On. They just don't charge a home mortgage price for them like Snap On dealers do.
Uh, maybe, but I had a set of Kobalt metric hex heads for 3/8 drive ratchet that were maybe 1 or 2 years old. The edges wore off a little on a few, but one rounded off so badly, it was useless. I replaced them with a set from Craftsman so I wouldn't have to buy another set. No way that was Snap-On quality. I've never had any hex wrench round off that badly in all my years of wrenching bikes.
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Originally Posted by K-Spaz View Post
I use this style.



The off set magnetic holders for shallow and deep sockets is really nice.....





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Was at both my local Lowes this weekend. They have roughly 90% Craftsman stuff now, 10% Kobalt. At this rate it’s looking like Kobalt will be gone there soon. Oh well at least I didn’t jump too far into the Kobalt line.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:29 PM
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Spent one night organizing all the tools. The difference between my realy old sockets and drives and the newer stuff is huge. I have tools from the 50's and 60's that are still in great shape..
Labeled the sockets so i can see them and put them on racks.
Flea markets are a good source. I grab all the old wood handled screw drivers..

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