New Porsche GT2
07-14-2007, 09:00 AM
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07-14-2007, 11:47 AM
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I am really surprised that Porsche "only" gave this car 530 bhp. That is cutting it way too close and should be on par with the C6 Z06. I thought for sure they would give this car 550 bhp and weigh it in at 3100 lbs or so to get a definite edge in performance over the Z06, but this is definitely not the case.
Did it ever occur to you that Porsche's objective just might not be to build cars that "beat" other cars?
Do you think Porsche sits around thinking..."Wow, we need to build a 911 that can beat the C6Z's acceleration times"...and then proceeds with this as the prime objective in the car's design?
07-14-2007, 01:32 PM
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07-14-2007, 02:15 PM
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If it is true that will be only 200 cars worldwide and it will cost more than $200K then the new GT2 is pretty much irrelevant. Just a niche car nobody will even see, forget about racing against it or having one.
07-14-2007, 07:16 PM
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Did it ever occur to you that Porsche's objective just might not be to build cars that "beat" other cars?
Do you think Porsche sits around thinking..."Wow, we need to build a 911 that can beat the C6Z's acceleration times"...and then proceeds with this as the prime objective in the car's design?
Do you think Porsche sits around thinking..."Wow, we need to build a 911 that can beat the C6Z's acceleration times"...and then proceeds with this as the prime objective in the car's design?
07-14-2007, 07:41 PM
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And if Porsche were feeling any "heat", it would be evident in their 911 sales numbers. It's not.
Porsche hasn't lost their pride at all. Their motivation for building the 997 GT2 is to make money. Porsche positioned the GT2's performance very specifically...and not in terms of the competition, but in terms of their current and future Porsche line-up. There has to be room ("fit") for the future 997 Turbo S, and there has to be room between the GT2 and the Carrera GT.
07-15-2007, 01:15 AM
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Porsche is not Ferrari. The 911 type is invisible is California as are Corvettes. Thus Porsches are judged on their merits. As they are performance cars they do have to win especially compared to price. Almost any Ferrari attracts attention and at least at the moment they are lusted after even if their performance is not quite consistent with their price. At the $200,000 price point it's hard for me to imagine anyone would want the Porsche unless it virtually lays waste to the competition.
07-15-2007, 01:30 AM
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Merits are more than things one can measure with a stop watch or tape measure.
And how do you square the "win" comment with the Ferrari example? By saying that the Ferrari "attracts attention"? And by saying that the Ferrari has less performance? Then "winning" must not be the only measure of a sports car.
Because there is no "price-to-performance" formula that provides an answer to the question of what sports car to buy.
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07-15-2007, 05:25 AM
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To be accurate, they did not lose every objective test.
And if Porsche were feeling any "heat", it would be evident in their 911 sales numbers. It's not.
Porsche hasn't lost their pride at all. Their motivation for building the 997 GT2 is to make money. Porsche positioned the GT2's performance very specifically...and not in terms of the competition, but in terms of their current and future Porsche line-up. There has to be room ("fit") for the future 997 Turbo S, and there has to be room between the GT2 and the Carrera GT.
And if Porsche were feeling any "heat", it would be evident in their 911 sales numbers. It's not.
Porsche hasn't lost their pride at all. Their motivation for building the 997 GT2 is to make money. Porsche positioned the GT2's performance very specifically...and not in terms of the competition, but in terms of their current and future Porsche line-up. There has to be room ("fit") for the future 997 Turbo S, and there has to be room between the GT2 and the Carrera GT.
07-15-2007, 11:10 AM
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Porsche does not consider the results of magazine testing to be a determining factor in how they design their cars. And I believe they designed the 997 GT2 for placement because of one reason...because it's true.
07-15-2007, 01:50 PM
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GT3 has beaten the Z06 in many magazine track tests and Porsche has recently made the 100,000th 997 from the factory. I think they are not too worried as they are making lots of money.
07-15-2007, 03:53 PM
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Z06 > Gt3
Track _______________________ Corvette Z06 _ 997 GT3
Nordschleife __________________ 7:42.9 _______ 7:48
Hockenheim Shorttrack _________ 1:11.5 _______ 1:11.7
Bedford Autodrome ____________ 1:24.45 ______ 1:23.10
Oschersleben _________________ 1:40.3 _______ 1:44.14
Laguna Seca _________________ 1:47.3 _______ 1:39.517
Virginia International Raceway ___ 2:58.2 _______ 3:01.8
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 ____ 2:01.00 _____ 2:01.50
Balocco ______________________ 2:50.30 _____ 2:48.67
Score 5 Z06 to 3 GT3
07-15-2007, 04:23 PM
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Every time there is a discussion of other great cars, the threads end up like this...
I like my Z06 and respect/desire the other great cars...
Even if the Z is better or NOT in comparison... Our cars may be great, but there will always be something faster or better...even the next model Z06...
Just make sure you save enough cash for the next wave
I like my Z06 and respect/desire the other great cars...
Even if the Z is better or NOT in comparison... Our cars may be great, but there will always be something faster or better...even the next model Z06...
Just make sure you save enough cash for the next wave
07-15-2007, 07:44 PM
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What are you missing is that the Z06 has more victories (better race track lap times) when compared with the 997 GT3:
Track _______________________ Corvette Z06 _ 997 GT3
Nordschleife __________________ 7:42.9 _______ 7:48
Hockenheim Shorttrack _________ 1:11.5 _______ 1:11.7
Bedford Autodrome ____________ 1:24.45 ______ 1:23.10
Oschersleben _________________ 1:40.3 _______ 1:44.14
Laguna Seca _________________ 1:47.3 _______ 1:39.517
Virginia International Raceway ___ 2:58.2 _______ 3:01.8
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 ____ 2:01.00 _____ 2:01.50
Balocco ______________________ 2:50.30 _____ 2:48.67
Score 5 Z06 to 3 GT3
Track _______________________ Corvette Z06 _ 997 GT3
Nordschleife __________________ 7:42.9 _______ 7:48
Hockenheim Shorttrack _________ 1:11.5 _______ 1:11.7
Bedford Autodrome ____________ 1:24.45 ______ 1:23.10
Oschersleben _________________ 1:40.3 _______ 1:44.14
Laguna Seca _________________ 1:47.3 _______ 1:39.517
Virginia International Raceway ___ 2:58.2 _______ 3:01.8
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 ____ 2:01.00 _____ 2:01.50
Balocco ______________________ 2:50.30 _____ 2:48.67
Score 5 Z06 to 3 GT3
What happened at the Laguna Seca, that's a huge difference.
07-15-2007, 08:17 PM
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What are you missing is that the Z06 has more victories (better race track lap times) when compared with the 997 GT3:
Track _______________________ Corvette Z06 _ 997 GT3
Nordschleife __________________ 7:42.9 _______ 7:48
Hockenheim Shorttrack _________ 1:11.5 _______ 1:11.7
Bedford Autodrome ____________ 1:24.45 ______ 1:23.10
Oschersleben _________________ 1:40.3 _______ 1:44.14
Laguna Seca _________________ 1:47.3 _______ 1:39.517
Virginia International Raceway ___ 2:58.2 _______ 3:01.8
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 ____ 2:01.00 _____ 2:01.50
Balocco ______________________ 2:50.30 _____ 2:48.67
Score 5 Z06 to 3 GT3
Track _______________________ Corvette Z06 _ 997 GT3
Nordschleife __________________ 7:42.9 _______ 7:48
Hockenheim Shorttrack _________ 1:11.5 _______ 1:11.7
Bedford Autodrome ____________ 1:24.45 ______ 1:23.10
Oschersleben _________________ 1:40.3 _______ 1:44.14
Laguna Seca _________________ 1:47.3 _______ 1:39.517
Virginia International Raceway ___ 2:58.2 _______ 3:01.8
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 ____ 2:01.00 _____ 2:01.50
Balocco ______________________ 2:50.30 _____ 2:48.67
Score 5 Z06 to 3 GT3
07-16-2007, 12:11 AM
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07-16-2007, 04:19 PM
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