C6Z vs GT2 vs ACR vs GTR
06-29-2008, 10:20 PM
#141
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WOW!!! I have never seen such denial. Here's where every argument CRUMBLES. The 2008 Base Viper has been faster in EVERY head-to-head test against the Z06, and it runs a tire which is comparable. Similar tread wear ratings. Not one test had the Z06 winning around a road course, and some have the BASE Viper winning by substantial margins. And the ACR is substantially faster than the base model Viper, even using the same tires. This is fact, not 'computer blue' math. Aerodynamic aids, brakes, far superior suspension, less weight, etc... all combine to make the ACR a track weapon. Not just the tires - LOL!!
If you honesty think a Z06 with Pilot Cups only has a change in H*ll against a Viper ACR, you need to seriously put down the crack pipe. Now if you said a track prepped Z06 (Headers/Cam, Aerodynamic aids, tires, brakes, coil overs, etc...), you might have 'some' ground to stand on. Even with all those things, I think it would have a tough time. The ACR is a MONSTER at the track, and has proved so not only in magazine test but One Lap of America. It dominated every road course by HUGE margins, and there were track prepped Z06's in attendance. And did I mention the Viper ACR had to run regular Pilot Sports at this event? Yes, the same treadwear rating as the Z06's ran? Hmmm... So Bigbucks and other non-believers, these things you want to happen already have. And the Z06 was not close, let alone ahead.
All hail the track king Viper ACR!!! Be proud, the title remains in the USA
If you honesty think a Z06 with Pilot Cups only has a change in H*ll against a Viper ACR, you need to seriously put down the crack pipe. Now if you said a track prepped Z06 (Headers/Cam, Aerodynamic aids, tires, brakes, coil overs, etc...), you might have 'some' ground to stand on. Even with all those things, I think it would have a tough time. The ACR is a MONSTER at the track, and has proved so not only in magazine test but One Lap of America. It dominated every road course by HUGE margins, and there were track prepped Z06's in attendance. And did I mention the Viper ACR had to run regular Pilot Sports at this event? Yes, the same treadwear rating as the Z06's ran? Hmmm... So Bigbucks and other non-believers, these things you want to happen already have. And the Z06 was not close, let alone ahead.
All hail the track king Viper ACR!!! Be proud, the title remains in the USA
, people just dont get it.
06-29-2008, 10:25 PM
#142
Le Mans Master
Is that a fact or a opinion to loosely base your point for this thread:
The ACR is king... well, match tire for tire, than we'll see who is king. Hint, the z06 lost in the 1/4 t the acr by a hair, however, you still feel that it won't beat the ACR with a better tire? And the track times, you really, truly feel that the z06 with a R-compound tire will not close the gap, if not equal it or heavens no... surpass it?
Honestly, you were cool until this buddy.... shows how baised you are and how bad yu want to shove down our throats your viper(s) really are.
The ACR is king... well, match tire for tire, than we'll see who is king. Hint, the z06 lost in the 1/4 t the acr by a hair, however, you still feel that it won't beat the ACR with a better tire? And the track times, you really, truly feel that the z06 with a R-compound tire will not close the gap, if not equal it or heavens no... surpass it?
Honestly, you were cool until this buddy.... shows how baised you are and how bad yu want to shove down our throats your viper(s) really are.
07-01-2008, 07:05 PM
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WOW WHY DO PEOPLE CARE ABOUT MAGAZINE TEST DATA SO MUCH?????
99% of people who buy these cars cannot drive good enough to even take the car to 50% of its potential ( unless its at the drag strip, and even then alot of people can't launch a stick well ).
95% of people who buy these cars never take them to an autoX or road course track. If they race at all, its in a straight line on the highway or local turnpike. The people who try being all grand turisomo in these cars on public roads end up crashed into a pole or flipped over.
Why do people get all over the nuts of magazine reviews like this. All the cars in the review would be just about equal on the streets, unless you drag raced. Then in that case, the one with the best 0-60 and 1/4 time would have an advantage.
Most people who are into racing around tracks and autoX events build custom cars ( normally cheap gutted imports ) with build suspensions and tires. They don't go out and buy some crazy expensive Viper or ZR1, then go to the track and trash the **** outa it.
Phew!
I'd guarantee if you took the typical purchaser of one of these vehicle's they wouldn't be able to lay down a lap-time anywhere near that magazine data without substantial training and time.
99% of people who buy these cars cannot drive good enough to even take the car to 50% of its potential ( unless its at the drag strip, and even then alot of people can't launch a stick well ).
95% of people who buy these cars never take them to an autoX or road course track. If they race at all, its in a straight line on the highway or local turnpike. The people who try being all grand turisomo in these cars on public roads end up crashed into a pole or flipped over.
Why do people get all over the nuts of magazine reviews like this. All the cars in the review would be just about equal on the streets, unless you drag raced. Then in that case, the one with the best 0-60 and 1/4 time would have an advantage.
Most people who are into racing around tracks and autoX events build custom cars ( normally cheap gutted imports ) with build suspensions and tires. They don't go out and buy some crazy expensive Viper or ZR1, then go to the track and trash the **** outa it.
Phew!
I'd guarantee if you took the typical purchaser of one of these vehicle's they wouldn't be able to lay down a lap-time anywhere near that magazine data without substantial training and time.
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07-01-2008, 09:06 PM
#144
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WOW WHY DO PEOPLE CARE ABOUT MAGAZINE TEST DATA SO MUCH?????
99% of people who buy these cars cannot drive good enough to even take the car to 50% of its potential ( unless its at the drag strip, and even then alot of people can't launch a stick well ).
95% of people who buy these cars never take them to an autoX or road course track. If they race at all, its in a straight line on the highway or local turnpike. The people who try being all grand turisomo in these cars on public roads end up crashed into a pole or flipped over.
Why do people get all over the nuts of magazine reviews like this. All the cars in the review would be just about equal on the streets, unless you drag raced. Then in that case, the one with the best 0-60 and 1/4 time would have an advantage.
Most people who are into racing around tracks and autoX events build custom cars ( normally cheap gutted imports ) with build suspensions and tires. They don't go out and buy some crazy expensive Viper or ZR1, then go to the track and trash the **** outa it.
Phew!
I'd guarantee if you took the typical purchaser of one of these vehicle's they wouldn't be able to lay down a lap-time anywhere near that magazine data without substantial training and time.
99% of people who buy these cars cannot drive good enough to even take the car to 50% of its potential ( unless its at the drag strip, and even then alot of people can't launch a stick well ).
95% of people who buy these cars never take them to an autoX or road course track. If they race at all, its in a straight line on the highway or local turnpike. The people who try being all grand turisomo in these cars on public roads end up crashed into a pole or flipped over.
Why do people get all over the nuts of magazine reviews like this. All the cars in the review would be just about equal on the streets, unless you drag raced. Then in that case, the one with the best 0-60 and 1/4 time would have an advantage.
Most people who are into racing around tracks and autoX events build custom cars ( normally cheap gutted imports ) with build suspensions and tires. They don't go out and buy some crazy expensive Viper or ZR1, then go to the track and trash the **** outa it.
Phew!
I'd guarantee if you took the typical purchaser of one of these vehicle's they wouldn't be able to lay down a lap-time anywhere near that magazine data without substantial training and time.
, give me a break
just shut the damn hatch with your hands!!!
07-02-2008, 11:26 AM
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LOL 
Although, it is sorta sweet. Not because you get to be super lazy and close it with a button, but.... because after you just finish detailing your car, closing the trunk ALWAYS leaves little finger marks unless you have a microfiber handy ( and you look like a tool in a parking lot closing your trunk with a microfiber ).
I also hate when non car people close the door by touching everyplace but the handle!!!!!
Then you tell them WTF because you just spent like an hour cleaning that part 
Although, it is sorta sweet. Not because you get to be super lazy and close it with a button, but.... because after you just finish detailing your car, closing the trunk ALWAYS leaves little finger marks unless you have a microfiber handy ( and you look like a tool in a parking lot closing your trunk with a microfiber ).
I also hate when non car people close the door by touching everyplace but the handle!!!!!
Then you tell them WTF because you just spent like an hour cleaning that part
07-02-2008, 12:55 PM
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Pilot Sport Cups are not that good of a tire. On a 60-second track with very short straights, I found they offered a 1-second advantage over very good street tires (Kumho MXs). They aren't anything like a Hoosier or V710 or even a Victoracer; they are more like a shaved RA-1. Also, some magazines only test one lap at a time. The Cups take a while to get heated up and aren't very good while cold, even more so than other R-compounds.
Most of the Viper guys I've talked to seem to think the Cups would be 1-1.5 seconds faster than the stock Viper PS2s on a similar course to this test. I realize the PS2s are probably 1 second faster than the Z06's runcraps, though.
On equal tires, I don't think the ZR1 is going to touch the ACR around a road course. In a straight line the ZR1 will murder it. The ACR is the first drivable car to seriously employ real racing aerodynamics to my knowledge, and aerodynamics are the key factor which have led to drops in lap times of race cars over the past few decades. SRT says the ACR, with the wing and splitter in the factory position, has pulled 1.5 g on high speed sweepers. Hell, C&D even had it pulling an average of 1.3 in a 97 mph corner. That is insane for a street car. Anyone who's tried following another vehicle with 50% more grip knows they disappear fast.
I've got a deposit down on an ACR, and I own a '99 FRC C5. I went with the Viper over a ZR1 for some of the following reasons:
When I get my ACR (and I'm not sure when that will be) I plan on running it around a local track with and without the aero bits to see what the difference in lap times will be. I'll also run my C5 on the same track (they should have a similar power/weight, but different tires) and see what the difference is.
Most of the Viper guys I've talked to seem to think the Cups would be 1-1.5 seconds faster than the stock Viper PS2s on a similar course to this test. I realize the PS2s are probably 1 second faster than the Z06's runcraps, though.
On equal tires, I don't think the ZR1 is going to touch the ACR around a road course. In a straight line the ZR1 will murder it. The ACR is the first drivable car to seriously employ real racing aerodynamics to my knowledge, and aerodynamics are the key factor which have led to drops in lap times of race cars over the past few decades. SRT says the ACR, with the wing and splitter in the factory position, has pulled 1.5 g on high speed sweepers. Hell, C&D even had it pulling an average of 1.3 in a 97 mph corner. That is insane for a street car. Anyone who's tried following another vehicle with 50% more grip knows they disappear fast.
I've got a deposit down on an ACR, and I own a '99 FRC C5. I went with the Viper over a ZR1 for some of the following reasons:
- At the time, I thought it'd be cheaper.
- I can add power to the Viper, but I can't add aero to the 'vette. The SRT boys got a 7-1 lift-to-drag ratio out of the ACR's aero bits, which is really hard or impossible to replicate without CFD software and access to a wind tunnel.
- My experiences with my FRC left me wondering if anyone was awake in GM's QC department. Viper drivelines are known to be bulletproof, and I can't say the same about my C5's. Reliability is always my #1 goal.
- Its absolute massive advantage in all races and tests its participated in.
- It looks absolutely bad-***. I don't like the look of the ZR1 myself.
When I get my ACR (and I'm not sure when that will be) I plan on running it around a local track with and without the aero bits to see what the difference in lap times will be. I'll also run my C5 on the same track (they should have a similar power/weight, but different tires) and see what the difference is.
Last edited by GrantB; 07-02-2008 at 01:03 PM.
07-02-2008, 09:53 PM
#148
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LOL
Although, it is sorta sweet. Not because you get to be super lazy and close it with a button, but.... because after you just finish detailing your car, closing the trunk ALWAYS leaves little finger marks unless you have a microfiber handy ( and you look like a tool in a parking lot closing your trunk with a microfiber ).
I also hate when non car people close the door by touching everyplace but the handle!!!!! Then you tell them WTF because you just spent like an hour cleaning that part
Although, it is sorta sweet. Not because you get to be super lazy and close it with a button, but.... because after you just finish detailing your car, closing the trunk ALWAYS leaves little finger marks unless you have a microfiber handy ( and you look like a tool in a parking lot closing your trunk with a microfiber ).
I also hate when non car people close the door by touching everyplace but the handle!!!!!
Then you tell them WTF because you just spent like an hour cleaning that part 