ZR1 Nurburgring Record, Will it be beaten!!?
05-01-2009, 02:30 AM
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"The next new car is the GT2. Recently, I was at the Nürburgring during Industry Week to make the final tests...I did my fast lap at 7m29s, the fastest lap a standard car has ever done, and I passed 11 cars. There was an Audi A3, and he was not watching his mirrors, and I passed him at 310 kph on Tiergarten, and he went sideways. It was so close!"
http://www.rennteam.com/forum/thread...GT2/page1.html
ZR1: 426 hp/tonne
GT2: 350 hp/tonne
Even though the ZR1 has 22% higher hp/wt, it was beaten by over 2 seconds. Hp/what?
Thanks for playing. But the comparison I made was with the GT2 and Koenigsegg CCX (612 hp/tonne).
Are you thick? Ive said this again and again but it seems to go way over your head. Porsche drove the Ferrari for appraisal, they drove the Nissan to verify Nissan's claims.
No they dont, this would mean closing the track having tons of engineers and equipment on hand and risking the health of its main driver every time Ferrari releases a product. I dont even think that your graph was a Porsche promotion.
No they dont, this would mean closing the track having tons of engineers and equipment on hand and risking the health of its main driver every time Ferrari releases a product. I dont even think that your graph was a Porsche promotion.
Just because you drive a car for appraisal automatically precludes setting a lap time? Uhrr, no it doesn't. That doesn't follow at all. They could be doing both. You have no evidence they didn't try to set a lap time.
I suppose that graph was designed to promote the SL65? Same font as Porsche brochures. Same slogan for the GT2 ("Respect required.)
However the link that I sourced about the lap being just for appraisal was lifted directly from Walter Rorhl and confirmed by Michael S. Manufacturers do not normally try to set a record time in traffic, they normally rent out the place, even Porsche has started doing this after WR nearly got into an accident passing slower cars.
Excellence February 2007 pg 124
"Walter Rohrl covered a lap at the RING - including passing 5 cars (b/c it was a public day THEY DID NOT CLOSE THE COURSE FOR PORSCHE 0 in 7:42. That day he also drove a Carrera GT to 7:37 in the same conditions."
Another time, Rohrl set a 7:32 in the GT2 with traffic:
"German Porsche test driver Walter Rohrl recently lapped the Nurburgring Nordschleife on a public day in 7 minutes 32 seconds in the new 997 GT2."
http://www.carzi.com/2008/08/20/pors...h-gear-review/
Do you see the pattern here, of Porsche releasing lap times (and the time for a competitor) which were done with traffic? How do you know for a fact that they closed down the 'Ring for the GT-R test?
Where are the Ferrari times, they still benchmark their different cars in Italy. Again there is a huge difference between a record lap and setting up the car. This is from the link you provided.
-Among those marques is Ferrari, which in addition to three racing circuits that the company owns and operates in Italy, comes to the Nürburgring for proper shakedowns.
-Since our German isn't up to snuff and online translators seem to make less sense of the text than we can on our own
-However, it seems to combine a showroom and merchandising store among its attractions.
Again this is from the same link you provided.
-Ferrari insists that, although Schumi had been driving the car that day, it was actually the factory's road car test driver Raffaele de Simone who was driving when the car hit the guardrail at 250 km/h. -Photographs show that the 7-time world champion had been driving the car with his young son Mick – himself just starting out in karting – riding shotgun... with neither of them wearing helmets.
-Among those marques is Ferrari, which in addition to three racing circuits that the company owns and operates in Italy, comes to the Nürburgring for proper shakedowns.
-Since our German isn't up to snuff and online translators seem to make less sense of the text than we can on our own
-However, it seems to combine a showroom and merchandising store among its attractions.
Again this is from the same link you provided.
-Ferrari insists that, although Schumi had been driving the car that day, it was actually the factory's road car test driver Raffaele de Simone who was driving when the car hit the guardrail at 250 km/h. -Photographs show that the 7-time world champion had been driving the car with his young son Mick – himself just starting out in karting – riding shotgun... with neither of them wearing helmets.
Just because they don't release lap times doesn't mean they don't test there. Jaguar tests there extensively, yet they don't release lap times. Lamborghini (and parent company VW/Audi) tests there too, and what lap times have we seen from them?
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