Corvette & Z28
12-21-2009, 04:06 PM
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Team Owner
12-21-2009, 04:19 PM
#4
By "been built", do you mean modified? I doubt anyone today is going to modify a car that is worth more unmodified. The Z28 had basically one engine/trans avail with a 3.73:1 gear. The Vette had several, from small to big block, auto and 4-sp. Your question is too vague to answer. Outrun where? Straight line, canyon, track?
12-21-2009, 04:38 PM
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I doubt they were faster but the times were within a 1/10 or two of each other and I would say that's as close as it came in modern times..
Seems like I can recall a C/D article from 99 or 2000 that pitted a stock WS6 T/A verses a stock C5 and the T/A beat it in the 1/4.
12-21-2009, 07:28 PM
#8
Le Mans Master
I think it was really close when the LS1 was first put in the Camaro's in 98-00 model years.
I doubt they were faster but the times were within a 1/10 or two of each other and I would say that's as close as it came in modern times..
Seems like I can recall a C/D article from 99 or 2000 that pitted a stock WS6 T/A verses a stock C5 and the T/A beat it in the 1/4.
I doubt they were faster but the times were within a 1/10 or two of each other and I would say that's as close as it came in modern times..
Seems like I can recall a C/D article from 99 or 2000 that pitted a stock WS6 T/A verses a stock C5 and the T/A beat it in the 1/4.
12-21-2009, 08:50 PM
#9
Melting Slicks
And how do you define "base" 'vette for the year (it was much more complicated back in the day than these days)? I assume you're defining the "base" 'vette as the one w/ the lowest HP rating (though it could technically be a more optioned car than another w/ a higher HP rating)?
FWIW 1st Gen Z/28s weren't really 0-60 or 1/4 mile monsters. They had a small (302cui) high-winding motor intended for the road course, and were basically built as homologation specials.
-TJ
12-22-2009, 11:51 PM
#10
Le Mans Master
I don't know the year the ZL1 was offered for Camaros...but I bet that year is a possibility. It was only available for the Corvette in 69 but I think Camaro's got it in the 70's. My numbers may be off but I think somewhere around 50 ZL1 Camaros ....... only a couple in Corvettes.
12-23-2009, 12:19 AM
#11
Melting Slicks
I don't know the year the ZL1 was offered for Camaros...but I bet that year is a possibility. It was only available for the Corvette in 69 but I think Camaro's got it in the 70's. My numbers may be off but I think somewhere around 50 ZL1 Camaros ....... only a couple in Corvettes.
-TJ
12-23-2009, 01:24 AM
#12
Le Mans Master
Why only Z/28s? And are we talking all years now? Your first post specified 1st Generation, but now you say "every" (that I assume was supposed to be "ever") built.
And how do you define "base" 'vette for the year (it was much more complicated back in the day than these days)? I assume you're defining the "base" 'vette as the one w/ the lowest HP rating (though it could technically be a more optioned car than another w/ a higher HP rating)?
FWIW 1st Gen Z/28s weren't really 0-60 or 1/4 mile monsters. They had a small (302cui) high-winding motor intended for the road course, and were basically built as homologation specials.
-TJ
And how do you define "base" 'vette for the year (it was much more complicated back in the day than these days)? I assume you're defining the "base" 'vette as the one w/ the lowest HP rating (though it could technically be a more optioned car than another w/ a higher HP rating)?
FWIW 1st Gen Z/28s weren't really 0-60 or 1/4 mile monsters. They had a small (302cui) high-winding motor intended for the road course, and were basically built as homologation specials.
-TJ
12-23-2009, 02:20 PM
#14
Melting Slicks
) but so were most of the motors of the day. I'm not sure how you could say that a '69 DZ302 equipped Z/28 is "quicker" than a '69 ZL1 equipped Camaro. -TJ
12-23-2009, 03:18 PM
#15
Le Mans Master
Define "quicker." Around a Road Course, hell yeah. At the strip, nope. Yes, the DZ302 was under-rated (especially if you got the cross-ram manifold in the trunk with yours, and installed it ) but so were most of the motors of the day. I'm not sure how you could say that a '69 DZ302 equipped Z/28 is "quicker" than a '69 ZL1 equipped Camaro.
-TJ
) but so were most of the motors of the day. I'm not sure how you could say that a '69 DZ302 equipped Z/28 is "quicker" than a '69 ZL1 equipped Camaro. -TJ
12-23-2009, 09:09 PM
#16
Le Mans Master
I think you may be right about the Yenko and Nickey cars but there were more than a few ZL1 Camaros produced, just not many left. After being corrected on the year available, I googled them up and found this:
In addition to the original 50 ZL1 Camaros shipped to Gibb Chevrolet, an additional 19 ZL1's were ordered through the 1969 production year by various other high-performance Chevrolet dealerships. This ended the 1969 ZL1 Camaro production run at a total of 69 cars.
http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/69ZL1/
Last edited by solid dobe; 12-23-2009 at 09:12 PM.
12-24-2009, 12:55 AM
#17
Race Director
12-24-2009, 05:54 AM
#20
Race Director
First Generation Camaro Z28 would only be '67, '68, '69. Those all were limited to 302 engines. Perhaps a first generation Z28 optimally optioned versus a Corvette of the same year poorly optioned for what ever contest of speed defines your version "out run" would win.
For example a '68 Z28 with 4:10 gears VS a '68 base corvette with auto and 3:07 gears. The Camaro might prevail in a drag race. However given the same two cars racing for top end, the Corvette would likely win.
Both cars had a lot of options available that would make a lot of difference. AND driver skill alone could make a difference in who would "out run" who.
For example a '68 Z28 with 4:10 gears VS a '68 base corvette with auto and 3:07 gears. The Camaro might prevail in a drag race. However given the same two cars racing for top end, the Corvette would likely win.
Both cars had a lot of options available that would make a lot of difference. AND driver skill alone could make a difference in who would "out run" who.