robertaj

what do you do for a living? Do you need any help?!?!! Seriously ... hire me !

MTIRC6Z

From PT: "Drifting, to me that's like sychronized swimming."

I think the guy is a madman, but I kinda find his political incorrectness to be appealing

Cheers, Paul.

tomsws6

Not takin anything away from the viper as its a beautiful awesome machine and with out it we wouldnt have the zr1 but can you show me some data were the viper our performs the zr1? not the acr, cause this thread will really go to sh$t but a standard viper.

OnPoint

It's because they did it going up a hill. Even the program commentator remarked that the 4.0 for the Viper and the 4.1 for the ZR1 was pretty impressive considering they did it uphill. Didn't mention what the grade was, but watching the program you could see the noticeable incline.

Pretty impressive machines, both of them.

waltershu

Here you go.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

jr9170

laron

Im pretty sure that a year and a half ago the standard Viper did 0-150 in 16.4 verses the Zr1's 0-150 in 17.1 in a magazine

This show just confirms that until 160 mph were the Vipers shifts until 5th gear it is a lil faster....

Somthing else I want to discuss...Some of you dont give the Viper respect were it's due..

You realize that the non acr hard top or convertable beat out the C6Z06 by 3 seconds a lap right???

You realize that the non ACR hits 202 mph??????
You realize that normal guys have taken their non acr's to the track on their first ever outing and trapped 128-131 mph right???

Im not talking about 5 ZR1 guys renting a drag strip at the fastest strip on the east coast and then lining it with VHT on a pre determined mine-shaft air day..

Im talking about just a regular guy at a regular track makeing 3-4 passes in his new Viper..

It is no were near a drivers race with a C6Z06....You show me a bunch of stock Z06's trapping 128-131 mph....

Stock Z06's trapp 124-127 mph..The world record is only 128 (JF)

Again oipen your eyes guys..

It's a 550 rwhp supercharged 3350 pound car verses a 550 rwhp naturally asperated 3450 pound car...

Throw in the element of that supercharger getting just a lil hot verses the always their NA power and it's not hard to see why it's so close...

Two great cars!!!!!! Really about dead even...ACR...Well that a race car that you can kinda drive on the street..Thats what wouldnt have been fair IMHO

tomsws6

actually that didnt tell me much except they can t drive. zr1 11.7 and viper 11.8? Maybe if i was drivin. The only thing that I saw that the viper beat the z on was it trapped 1mph faster but.........the z destroyed it in top gear acceleration. And it beat it 0-140. But I dont think its a great comparo because of the drivers.

tomsws6

Show me were a stock viper is trappin 130's. Also according to C/D, which i dont put much stock in, the Z is ahead at 140.

"Im pretty sure that a year and a half ago the standard Viper did 0-150 in 16.4 verses the Zr1's 0-150 in 17.1 in a magazine"

That just doesnt seem right to me if the Z is ahead at 140 how does it loose over a half second in 10mph. Im not taken anything away from the viper but stock for stock the Z should be faster from 0-200 from every info iv seen.

Ray W

My stock Viper trapped 130mph with a e.t. of 12.02. It's best e.t. that day was 11.49 @ 126mph. My ZR1 has yet to hit 126mph and my best e.t. has been 11.56 @ 123mph.

They are equal cars. Pick the one you like. The better driver wins in either car.

Mr turbo rotary

I am not so sure. Paul Tracy got the jump out of the hole but the Zr1 steadily was making up ground until the Viper shifted into 5th and then the ZR1 walked right by.

Both of the cars are so far beyond 99% of the drivers abilities the performance differences between them is probably a moot point.

racerns

Where are you running, because that is some of the worst trap speed I have seen in a ZR1. My 2nd run ever in ZR1 I trapped 126mph and my drag racing experience before that was pretty limited. My best trap has been 131mph and 10.85 best ET. There has only been one stock Viper to hit a 10 (10.92) and it took Jamie many track day attemps to do it. He then went well into the 10s (10.79) on his first day at the track with his ZR1 trapping 3mph higher than the Viper. This is same track and driver in similar conditons (DA a few 100ft better for the Viper run). I know of at least 5 different drivers that have run a 10 in a bone stock ZR1. It is the faster car. I do agree thought that any race from a dig will really come down to driver as they are pretty close. If the Viper driver can launch better, the ZR1 is not going to make up for a poor launch until after the 1/4 mile mark.

see-6?

I loved the discussion so much over here, I had to go spy on a few viper forums to see what they were saying from their point of view. I'm came away with, its all perspective!

BishopTx

that article has the ZR1 performing above the viper in every way. your post confuses me

and I own a SRT10 and a ZR1 and there are no compares here - the viper is cool and sexy looking and sounds nice, but its limits are hard to judge and it FEELS a lot faster than it ever is. With an average to mildly skilled driver (like me) there is no question the Z is much much much faster car - in a straight line and especially around corners. I have all the respect in the world for any good car, but to say the Viper and ZR1 are the same is to suggest pure silliness.


http://home.rr.com/bishoptx for cars.
Viper is gen4, but have driven current gen a lot and know the viper well

racerns

This has been discussed and gone over before here. C/D makes a shift to 5th before the 150 mark when doing their runs in the ZR1 while the Viper, because of its gearing, does not go to 5th until after 150. That is why the time to speed of 150 is kind of deceiving for the ZR1. There is a difference in time to speed and time to distance. The ZR1 is ahead on track and speed until the shift to 5th which takes time for the shift and slows it's acelleration rate. At this point the Viper still, in 4th, is gaining and passing the ZR1 in speed but not necassarily in distance. It depends on how much of a lead the ZR1 has built the Viper may never catch the ZR1 for the short time it is in 4th while the ZR1 is in 5th. Then when the Viper hits 5th it is all over. This is all based on an equal launch.

dvandentop

yeah yours is sweet saw it at the texas mile this spring! nice ride to both of you

tomsws6

Thanks. Makes a little more sence to me.

BishopTx: Can I just spend the night in your garage?

Ray W

South Florida, 88 degrees @ night. Best run 2009 ZR1 11.97@124 , 2008 Viper (no longer stock) Headers,3:55 and Mopar pcm. 11.48@126. It's not the driving but the heat and no traction that is the issue. Example 2010 Cadillac CTS-V pulley and headers 11.72@ 120. Also same night. Ford gt w/pulley and tune 11.78 @ 126.

A true comparision has to be at the same track ,same day with the same driver. I race mine like I drive it to the track. No cool down. No race gas. No sticky tires. No b.s.

racerns

So what you are saying is that you don't have a true comparisoin between your stock Viper and stock ZR1. All my run have been drive it to the track and race as-is, 100% stock.

Edit: I have done a hand full of drag radial runs but none have been my best time.

Ray W

No same day stock for stock. I had the Viper a year before the ZR1 and added the mods in between. That is why I listed the mods when I ran them both together last week.