2011 Z06 vs 2011 GT500 vs 2012 GTR in Motortrend
02-19-2011, 03:10 PM
#21
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I know they matched them up for HP but I think it would have been interesting to throw a GS into the mix. They talked about the Z breaking the back end loose coming out of the turns and not being able to mash the gas and this slowed them down. I'm wondering if the GS with less HP would have allowed the full throttle without fear of kicking out the rear and allow the car to keep the speed up? Not saying the GTR wouldn't still be the fastest car but would like to see the comparison between the Z06 and GS.
02-19-2011, 03:10 PM
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Any car manufacturer can make a car fast. Yet, it takes a great car company to make a car fast and great looking. With any sports car its the entire package including looks, handling and, speed. Just as with women its the entire package. Otherwise you and up with a girl that has a Rosie Odonell face with a Carmen Electra body.
02-19-2011, 03:14 PM
#23
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The GS would've been well behind and possibly not even beat out the new and improved 2011 GT500. Remember the GS weighs more then a Z06 and is down 70hp and doesn't offer the CC brakes.......all told the GS wouldn't fare well in this test....in fact it might've come in last place in ALL tests (0-60 and 1/4 mile included)
02-19-2011, 04:12 PM
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Do you mean the "old fogies" of Corvette Forum, the "old fogies" of GM or which "old fogies?" Do the folks at CF have that much influence? Does GM have an AWD system that is anywhere near robust enough to be integrated into the Corvette platform?
Why would AWD be anymore sacrilege than ABS or MSRC. They're all just new fangled (in their time) acronymns? I'm with you vettedoogie in that Corvette must go with AWD eventually or be left behind as a performance car.
Come to think of it, maybe Corvette could only race with RWD cars and win like they did for too long in GT1 with no competition. I like to think of my Corvette as cutting edge. If people want tradition only they can always go with the older and still beautiful vehicles. Am I missing the point? If so clue me in please.
02-19-2011, 04:32 PM
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Drifting
BOGUS. No personal attacks.
In this case the poster is probably correct. The GS, while a WONDERFUL car it is NOT a Z06.
The GS in terms of performance is right 'at' the 11' GT500 with the SVT package. Not bad for the GT500 in terms of it's weight and 10k lower MSRP for compairable builds. The difference between the two can and probably would be driver related. So if the GS was included it would have come in 3rd or 4th....you do not enter a contest/comparison to come in 3rd or 4th...Corvette ain't AVIS..."we're Number 2 but we try harder".
In this case the poster is probably correct. The GS, while a WONDERFUL car it is NOT a Z06.
The GS in terms of performance is right 'at' the 11' GT500 with the SVT package. Not bad for the GT500 in terms of it's weight and 10k lower MSRP for compairable builds. The difference between the two can and probably would be driver related. So if the GS was included it would have come in 3rd or 4th....you do not enter a contest/comparison to come in 3rd or 4th...Corvette ain't AVIS..."we're Number 2 but we try harder".
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02-19-2011, 04:47 PM
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02-19-2011, 04:52 PM
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Do you mean the "old fogies" of Corvette Forum, the "old fogies" of GM or which "old fogies?" Do the folks at CF have that much influence? Does GM have an AWD system that is anywhere near robust enough to be integrated into the Corvette platform?
Why would AWD be anymore sacrilege than ABS or MSRC. They're all just new fangled (in their time) acronymns? I'm with you vettedoogie in that Corvette must go with AWD eventually or be left behind as a performance car.
Come to think of it, maybe Corvette could only race with RWD cars and win like they did for too long in GT1 with no competition. I like to think of my Corvette as cutting edge. If people want tradition only they can always go with the older and still beautiful vehicles. Am I missing the point? If so clue me in please.
Why would AWD be anymore sacrilege than ABS or MSRC. They're all just new fangled (in their time) acronymns? I'm with you vettedoogie in that Corvette must go with AWD eventually or be left behind as a performance car.
Come to think of it, maybe Corvette could only race with RWD cars and win like they did for too long in GT1 with no competition. I like to think of my Corvette as cutting edge. If people want tradition only they can always go with the older and still beautiful vehicles. Am I missing the point? If so clue me in please.
Hell Mustang has caught up to the Vette, and in certain aspects surpassed it, for cheaper. No wonder these cars aren't selling anymore.
02-19-2011, 05:05 PM
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I almost bought the GTR...I showed it to my wife in a parking lot and she thought it was a 370z...she called it and I quote , " ugly."
Ugly dont cut it when you pay that much ...on top of that the costs of the car from an ongoing maintenance standpoint is a disgusting waste of money...
Bang for buck and ongoing cost win goes to the Vette.
Ease of modifications = goes to the Vette
Also have you been on their forums? BORING with a capital B. LOL
Ugly dont cut it when you pay that much ...on top of that the costs of the car from an ongoing maintenance standpoint is a disgusting waste of money...
Bang for buck and ongoing cost win goes to the Vette.
Ease of modifications = goes to the Vette
Also have you been on their forums? BORING with a capital B. LOL
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02-19-2011, 05:06 PM
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02-19-2011, 05:08 PM
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I've driven an '11 GTR, fast and very easy to drive, but HEAVY. On a road course, weight is the enemy, both for handling and especially under braking, and I guarantee that after just a handful of laps the GTR would start feeling the effects of its several hundred lbs over the Corvette, and the Vette would pass and drive away
02-19-2011, 05:13 PM
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Corvette used to be cutting edge, once upon a time. Seems to me it's been stuck in the sand to long waiting for the C7. They have pretty much run out of parts bin stuff to throw on these cars.
Hell Mustang has caught up to the Vette, and in certain aspects surpassed it, for cheaper. No wonder these cars aren't selling anymore.
Hell Mustang has caught up to the Vette, and in certain aspects surpassed it, for cheaper. No wonder these cars aren't selling anymore.
02-19-2011, 05:16 PM
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I'm more shocked at the $98000 MSRP of a Z06! Who in their right mind would pay that when for just 10K more, get a ZR1? I would have rather seen them compare an "unloaded" Z06 that MSRPs around mid-70s and seen how it does.
And while the GTR is impressive, my god is that car is ugly! As fast as it is, can't run from its looks!!
And while the GTR is impressive, my god is that car is ugly! As fast as it is, can't run from its looks!!
02-19-2011, 05:18 PM
#34
Drifting
I am not into Japanese cars, and I personally think the GTR is one of the most ugly cars out there.
However, no matter how you feel about the looks, it still beat the just as expensive Z06 in almost every catagory. Hell, those performance numbers would have easily beaten the ZR-1.
Calling the car ugly isn't going to change the results.
Maybe it's time for Chevy to start stepping up to the plate with something other than parts bin scrounging for a change.
However, no matter how you feel about the looks, it still beat the just as expensive Z06 in almost every catagory. Hell, those performance numbers would have easily beaten the ZR-1.
Calling the car ugly isn't going to change the results.
Maybe it's time for Chevy to start stepping up to the plate with something other than parts bin scrounging for a change.
02-19-2011, 05:27 PM
#35
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Hard to ignore or deny the performance of the GTR. I have looked at a few all have been black but IMHO you really have to sell yourself on the looks of it.
02-19-2011, 05:28 PM
#36
Drifting
I know what you mean but sometimes we're all too hard on these Corvettes we love. I've driven the Mustang and I don't feel it's even in the same class as the C6 on the track, model to model. However your point is well taken and at least debatable. As for the long run of the C6, I think it's about average for various Corvette generations, don't you? Especially considering the absolutely horrendous economic years we've just gone through. Having said that, it's time to step up to the plate and hit another homerun like GM did with the C5 and C6.
What does the economy have to do with Chevrolet putting in the work to improve this car on a yearly basis? I don't see any other car makers stagnating because of the economy? Everywhere you look cars are getting better, and we sit and wait for the C7.
02-19-2011, 05:30 PM
#37
Le Mans Master
Possibly. I've seen a good driver in a GS beat an average driver in a ZO6, but a good pro like Randy Pobst with a little seat time should be able to get the power down, the hitch is that it's only going through 2 wheels, not 4 wheels like the GTR, big difference in traction and feel. I guarantee that in stock form, under actual race conditions, the ZO6 would easily beat the GTR, and I think the GS would be right there. 
02-19-2011, 05:31 PM
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He was driving the Z06 without Nanny's, not a real world test.
He was concerned with " confidence " which in the long run slowed him down. In C mode he would have hauled more ars.
The 4 x 4 in the GTR is a huge nanny so IMO not on equal ground with Nanny's off of the C6.
The C6 speaks for itself I am not defending it.
The carbon brakes helped his mojo for sure.
He was concerned with " confidence " which in the long run slowed him down. In C mode he would have hauled more ars.
The 4 x 4 in the GTR is a huge nanny so IMO not on equal ground with Nanny's off of the C6.
The C6 speaks for itself I am not defending it.
The carbon brakes helped his mojo for sure.
02-19-2011, 05:41 PM
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Whether or not the car looks good is debatable, personally I like how the GTR looks.
The performance however leaves no doubt. 0 to 60 in 2.9 and 11.2 in the quarter from the factory is nuts.
With Mustang GTs making over 400 HP and available for 30K, and the GTR kicking *** and taking names, the C7 cannot come soon enough.
I love my GS, but the C6 is getting long in the tooth. It appears that the C7 is at least 2 or 3 years away from production, and competition is way too strong these days for such a long model cycle.
The performance however leaves no doubt. 0 to 60 in 2.9 and 11.2 in the quarter from the factory is nuts.
With Mustang GTs making over 400 HP and available for 30K, and the GTR kicking *** and taking names, the C7 cannot come soon enough.
I love my GS, but the C6 is getting long in the tooth. It appears that the C7 is at least 2 or 3 years away from production, and competition is way too strong these days for such a long model cycle.
02-19-2011, 05:46 PM
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I almost bought the GTR...I showed it to my wife in a parking lot and she thought it was a 370z...she called it and I quote , " ugly."
Ugly dont cut it when you pay that much ...on top of that the costs of the car from an ongoing maintenance standpoint is a disgusting waste of money...
Bang for buck and ongoing cost win goes to the Vette.
Ease of modifications = goes to the VetteAlso have you been on their forums? BORING with a capital B. LOL
Ugly dont cut it when you pay that much ...on top of that the costs of the car from an ongoing maintenance standpoint is a disgusting waste of money...
Bang for buck and ongoing cost win goes to the Vette.
Ease of modifications = goes to the VetteAlso have you been on their forums? BORING with a capital B. LOL