Modded C7 Z06 (661whp Mustang) vs modded Viper TA (607whp Dynojet)
01-19-2015, 11:45 AM
#22
Turn 12!
01-19-2015, 11:47 AM
#23
Turn 12!
01-19-2015, 11:51 AM
#24
Burning Brakes
You guys are hoping and wishing that the TA is as fast on a road course. 2:41 - 2:49 at VIR grand. The editors are not great drivers but not 10 seconds off the pace either.
Writing is on the wall in big fat letters. But you can stay in denial until that day comes.
TA 2.0 has a chance, but that's not what we are comparing here. TA 2.0 will not be as fast in a straight line as the TA 1.0 either. And the tire argument is what it is. Unless SRT decides to put MPSC 2 on the TA 2.0 or make them an option, if/whens are not going to count.
Writing is on the wall in big fat letters. But you can stay in denial until that day comes.
TA 2.0 has a chance, but that's not what we are comparing here. TA 2.0 will not be as fast in a straight line as the TA 1.0 either. And the tire argument is what it is. Unless SRT decides to put MPSC 2 on the TA 2.0 or make them an option, if/whens are not going to count.
Yes I know Dodge doesn't offer R-Comp tires like the Z07 has, but in a real racing competition the Viper would sport better tires than the silly street Corsa's.
I predict a future head-2-head. Z07 vs TA 2.0. The Z07 will edge it out just by a hair due to the much better tires. Those in the know will realize if the Viper had the same tires it would come out ahead easily.
Both cars are amazing, good time to be a car guy!
Last edited by Callsign_Vega; 01-19-2015 at 11:53 AM.
01-19-2015, 11:53 AM
#25
Le Mans Master
I'm not saying this as to be negative - but from day one I suggested that 1.7L blower is too small for any top-end charge. It's there for 1) bottom -end snap and mid-range(maybe due to the add'tl weight) and 2) sized for possible hood clearance
It needs a 2.3 for better top-end steam
It needs a 2.3 for better top-end steam
01-19-2015, 11:54 AM
#26
Drifting
And I'm still not rushing out to get a Viper.
01-19-2015, 11:56 AM
#27
Drifting
I'm not saying this as to be negative - but from day one I suggested that 1.7L blower is too small for any top-end charge. It's there for 1) bottom -end snap and mid-range(maybe due to the add'tl weight) and 2) sized for possible hood clearance
It needs a 2.3 for better top-end steam
It needs a 2.3 for better top-end steam
01-19-2015, 11:57 AM
#29
Like bathroom weight scales....
01-19-2015, 11:59 AM
#30
Turn 12!
Okay, makes sense. I stand corrected. But 10 seconds is a huge disparity not matter what the intangibles are.
01-19-2015, 12:00 PM
#31
Safety Car
You are also comparing the old VIR track time versus the new for the Z07 with probably the hottest shoe driver for the Z06. Who was driving the Viper? Viper - old TA, old VIR track, crappy Corsa street tires.
Yes I know Dodge doesn't offer R-Comp tires like the Z07 has, but in a real racing competition the Viper would sport better tires than the silly street Corsa's.
I predict a future head-2-head. Z07 vs TA 2.0. The Z07 will edge it out just by a hair due to the much better tires. Those in the know will realize if the Viper had the same tires it would come out ahead easily.
Both cars are amazing, good time to be a car guy!
Yes I know Dodge doesn't offer R-Comp tires like the Z07 has, but in a real racing competition the Viper would sport better tires than the silly street Corsa's.
I predict a future head-2-head. Z07 vs TA 2.0. The Z07 will edge it out just by a hair due to the much better tires. Those in the know will realize if the Viper had the same tires it would come out ahead easily.
Both cars are amazing, good time to be a car guy!
The corsas were less than 3 seconds slower than Pirelli slicks at Laguna on the same day on the same car. They are not chopped liver. It's a small gap considering these Corsas were specifically designed for the Viper. Sure Trofeo may be better, or MPSC, but at the end of the day, if those tires do not come equipped, it's not factory.
FYI - Corsas are R-compound tires.
01-19-2015, 12:05 PM
#32
Turn 12!
No I'm not. The TA was tested in 2014 vs the Nismo GT-R, which it lost to, and the Camaro Z28 which it barely beat, same day as the 918 ran 2:43 with mag drivers. Lightning lap 2014, check it out.....
The corsas were less than 3 seconds slower than Pirelli slicks at Laguna on the same day on the same car. They are not chopped liver. It's a small gap considering these Corsas were specifically designed for the Viper. Sure Trofeo may be better, or MPSC, but at the end of the day, if those tires do not come equipped, it's not factory.
FYI - Corsas are R-compound tires.
The corsas were less than 3 seconds slower than Pirelli slicks at Laguna on the same day on the same car. They are not chopped liver. It's a small gap considering these Corsas were specifically designed for the Viper. Sure Trofeo may be better, or MPSC, but at the end of the day, if those tires do not come equipped, it's not factory.
FYI - Corsas are R-compound tires.
01-19-2015, 12:06 PM
#33
That seals it. The Z06 lost by 3/4 of a car length. No way I would buy one of those. The car is a utter and complete failure. LOL.
I will have to say, the Vipers run like SOBs!
So, although it has yet to be verified, if you want to go fast in a straight line, the Viper is your car. All indications are that the Vette will win the twisties - as the earlier poster said.
Good rivalry here though!! Improves the breed.
I will have to say, the Vipers run like SOBs!
So, although it has yet to be verified, if you want to go fast in a straight line, the Viper is your car. All indications are that the Vette will win the twisties - as the earlier poster said.
Good rivalry here though!! Improves the breed.
01-19-2015, 12:06 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
No I'm not. The TA was tested in 2014 vs the Nismo GT-R, which it lost to, and the Camaro Z28 which it barely beat, same day as the 918 ran 2:43 with mag drivers. Lightning lap 2014, check it out.....
The corsas were less than 3 seconds slower than Pirelli slicks at Laguna on the same day on the same car. They are not chopped liver. It's a small gap considering these Corsas were specifically designed for the Viper. Sure Trofeo may be better, or MPSC, but at the end of the day, if those tires do not come equipped, it's not factory.
FYI - Corsas are R-compound tires.
The corsas were less than 3 seconds slower than Pirelli slicks at Laguna on the same day on the same car. They are not chopped liver. It's a small gap considering these Corsas were specifically designed for the Viper. Sure Trofeo may be better, or MPSC, but at the end of the day, if those tires do not come equipped, it's not factory.
FYI - Corsas are R-compound tires.
But yes the Z07 is a beast and will be hard to beat. Well, until it heat soaks. JK
01-19-2015, 12:08 PM
#35
Turn 12!
Imagine the times if Mero lost 50lbs.
01-19-2015, 12:11 PM
#37
Turn 12!
01-19-2015, 12:25 PM
#38
How is everyone talking laptimes when this a roll race post?
This is becoming a "my dad can kick your dad's ***" forum. I used to love it here but now everyone is bitter and pissed, while others ignore the issues, which GM should be scrambling to fix. Do the math on the Ring times?? That's like say go ***** yourself as far as I'm concerned. I'm ashamed of GM right now and I've had 3 Z06s.
Another observation is that the new Z seems to lose the same way other cars used to lose to the C6 Z06. It would take 150hp more in another car to win, which seems like the case here but it's the Viper instead.
Bring the C7Z and TA 2.0 to Laguna Seca and give Randy Pobst the keys and see what's up. Like they did the ZR1 and Viper a few years back. Until then it's pointless.
This is becoming a "my dad can kick your dad's ***" forum. I used to love it here but now everyone is bitter and pissed, while others ignore the issues, which GM should be scrambling to fix. Do the math on the Ring times?? That's like say go ***** yourself as far as I'm concerned. I'm ashamed of GM right now and I've had 3 Z06s.
Another observation is that the new Z seems to lose the same way other cars used to lose to the C6 Z06. It would take 150hp more in another car to win, which seems like the case here but it's the Viper instead.
Bring the C7Z and TA 2.0 to Laguna Seca and give Randy Pobst the keys and see what's up. Like they did the ZR1 and Viper a few years back. Until then it's pointless.
01-19-2015, 12:30 PM
#39
01-19-2015, 12:30 PM
#40
Safety Car
Just stating the facts. 
The absolute most the mag drivers have been slower than Mero or other factory driver in the same cars is 5.2 seconds.
That still leaves over 3 seconds for the Viper to make up.
Remember Ralph called Randy scared of Vipers too, but SRT didn't offer up anyone else to drive the car. The TA still hasn't beaten the ZR1 in a same day track test. Took a private test day to barely eek out the ZR1 at Laguna. In my book, that's slower given mag drivers only get a few laps, and Randy with more laps and a race team supporting the ZR1 would have been faster too.
It's bench racing no doubt, but educated bench racing.
Magazine driver that tests Honda Accords vs Mero lol? It's the 918 all over again. Most magazine drivers go "OMG its a Viper I'm so scared!". I look forward to the actual tests with a pro driver.
But yes the Z07 is a beast and will be hard to beat. Well, until it heat soaks. JK
But yes the Z07 is a beast and will be hard to beat. Well, until it heat soaks. JK
That still leaves over 3 seconds for the Viper to make up.
Remember Ralph called Randy scared of Vipers too, but SRT didn't offer up anyone else to drive the car. The TA still hasn't beaten the ZR1 in a same day track test. Took a private test day to barely eek out the ZR1 at Laguna. In my book, that's slower given mag drivers only get a few laps, and Randy with more laps and a race team supporting the ZR1 would have been faster too.
It's bench racing no doubt, but educated bench racing.