New Competition? The $84,600 Porsche Cayman GT4
02-04-2015, 12:47 PM
#41
The Cayman has been re-styled to resemble the 911.
And then the Cayman performance models are further developed.
Obviously, this is the eventual replacement of the 911 variants. Of course the 911 is a rear-engine car while the Cayman is rear-mid-engine.
But it's expensive to let Porsche build your performance model:
Cayman, $52,600, 275 HP
Cayman S, $63,800, 325 HP
Cayman GTS, $75,200, 340 HP
Cayman GT4, $84,600, 385 HP
It's a very worthy subject but Porsches are too narrow, too tall, and too short-wheelbase. Also, there's no geometric laid-out frame rails (actually rectangular tubes) like on a Corvette or Evora.
Now the Audi R8 is wide-enough, too tall, and too long-wheelbase. But these can be found brand-new at $125,000.
And so the plan is, buy a manual-transmission Ferrari 360 with 80,000 miles on it and swap-in an LS7. Gosh, it only weighs 2844 pounds so swap in an LS3. That's 430 HP and $6,800 for the engine.
Cayman GTS
2910 weight
51" height
70.9" width
97.4" wheelbase
Ferrari 360
2844 or 3058 weight
48.0" height
76" width
102.4" wheelbase
Might as well mention everything and the Lotus Evora S is 345 HP and $78,480.
Or build your own car:
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/atta...r-img_3203.jpg
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And then the Cayman performance models are further developed.
Obviously, this is the eventual replacement of the 911 variants. Of course the 911 is a rear-engine car while the Cayman is rear-mid-engine.
But it's expensive to let Porsche build your performance model:
Cayman, $52,600, 275 HP
Cayman S, $63,800, 325 HP
Cayman GTS, $75,200, 340 HP
Cayman GT4, $84,600, 385 HP
It's a very worthy subject but Porsches are too narrow, too tall, and too short-wheelbase. Also, there's no geometric laid-out frame rails (actually rectangular tubes) like on a Corvette or Evora.
Now the Audi R8 is wide-enough, too tall, and too long-wheelbase. But these can be found brand-new at $125,000.
And so the plan is, buy a manual-transmission Ferrari 360 with 80,000 miles on it and swap-in an LS7. Gosh, it only weighs 2844 pounds so swap in an LS3. That's 430 HP and $6,800 for the engine.
Cayman GTS
2910 weight
51" height
70.9" width
97.4" wheelbase
Ferrari 360
2844 or 3058 weight
48.0" height
76" width
102.4" wheelbase
Might as well mention everything and the Lotus Evora S is 345 HP and $78,480.
Or build your own car:
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/atta...r-img_3203.jpg
.
Last edited by B Stead; 02-04-2015 at 02:33 PM.
02-04-2015, 12:54 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
The Cayman has been re-styled to resemble the 911.
And then the Cayman performance models are further developed.
Obviously, this is the eventual replacement of the 911 variants. Of course the 911 is a rear-engine car while the Cayman is rear-mid-engine.
But it's expensive to let Porsche build your performance model:
Cayman, $52,600, 275 HP
Cayman S, $63,800, 325 HP
Cayman GTS, $75,200, 340 HP
Cayman GT4, $84,600, 385 HP
It's a very worthy subject but Porsches are too narrow, too tall, and too short-wheelbase. Also, there's no geometric laid-out frame rails (actually rectangular tubes) like on a Corvette or Evora.
Now the Audi R8 is wide-enough, too tall, and too long-wheelbase.
And so the plan is, buy a manual-transmission Ferrari 360 with 80,000 miles on it and swap-in an LS7. Gosh, it only weighs 2844 pounds so swap in an LS3
.
And then the Cayman performance models are further developed.
Obviously, this is the eventual replacement of the 911 variants. Of course the 911 is a rear-engine car while the Cayman is rear-mid-engine.
But it's expensive to let Porsche build your performance model:
Cayman, $52,600, 275 HP
Cayman S, $63,800, 325 HP
Cayman GTS, $75,200, 340 HP
Cayman GT4, $84,600, 385 HP
It's a very worthy subject but Porsches are too narrow, too tall, and too short-wheelbase. Also, there's no geometric laid-out frame rails (actually rectangular tubes) like on a Corvette or Evora.
Now the Audi R8 is wide-enough, too tall, and too long-wheelbase.
And so the plan is, buy a manual-transmission Ferrari 360 with 80,000 miles on it and swap-in an LS7. Gosh, it only weighs 2844 pounds so swap in an LS3
.
02-04-2015, 12:56 PM
#43
Burning Brakes
02-04-2015, 01:08 PM
#44
02-04-2015, 01:48 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
02-04-2015, 02:09 PM
#46
02-04-2015, 02:24 PM
#47
Think about it this way, the Porsche GT3 ran Willows neck and neck with the Z06/Z07.
The Cayman GT4 has only 90 HP less, but also is roughly 200 lbs lighter, better balance, likely better aero, so it really should be in the ball park of the non Z07/Z06. And it can prob run for days without trashing its tires, brakes and heat soak.
I think this car will surprise people. Put it in the hands of an HPDE beginner or intermediate driver, and I have a feeling they would be faster on the GT4 than Z06. I have instructed in the Cayman, and it is amazing how students get up to pace on that car.
02-04-2015, 02:35 PM
#48
Burning Brakes
Oh sweet, this car is much more affordable than first thought. Originally there was speculation of ~$120K.
Although this car with carbon brakes will be ~$100K. Would be a tough decision between the GT4 or Z06 as second place behind the Viper TA 2.0.
Although this car with carbon brakes will be ~$100K. Would be a tough decision between the GT4 or Z06 as second place behind the Viper TA 2.0.
02-04-2015, 02:39 PM
#50
Le Mans Master
If you're willing to float that around on the used market that's a different story though.
02-04-2015, 02:44 PM
#51
Traction control is just brake intervention against rear wheelspin. During maximum acceleration that can pitch the car back and forth. Really, it's better to just use the size tires that the car needs and let the car slightly break momentum with wheelspin. But also, use a mechanical limited slip.
Stability control is single wheel braking in response to vehicle yaw. But that can straighten a mid-curve slide and therefor it's not something that any talented driver would use. A slide at mid-curve must be carried all the way to the end of the curve
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Stability control is single wheel braking in response to vehicle yaw. But that can straighten a mid-curve slide and therefor it's not something that any talented driver would use. A slide at mid-curve must be carried all the way to the end of the curve
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Last edited by B Stead; 02-04-2015 at 02:47 PM.
02-04-2015, 02:46 PM
#52
Burning Brakes
At under $100k new it's tough to find anything that appeals to me more than the Viper. The two cars that are in the conversation are the Jaguar F-Type R and the Aston Martin GT. Neither of those perform like the Viper or Z06, but performance isn't everything.
If you're willing to float that around on the used market that's a different story though.
If you're willing to float that around on the used market that's a different story though.
02-04-2015, 02:47 PM
#53
Le Mans Master
02-04-2015, 03:36 PM
#55
Drifting
Well, Porsche's have always done more with less horsepower.
Think about it this way, the Porsche GT3 ran Willows neck and neck with the Z06/Z07.
The Cayman GT4 has only 90 HP less, but also is roughly 200 lbs lighter, better balance, likely better aero, so it really should be in the ball park of the non Z07/Z06. And it can prob run for days without trashing its tires, brakes and heat soak.
I think this car will surprise people. Put it in the hands of an HPDE beginner or intermediate driver, and I have a feeling they would be faster on the GT4 than Z06. I have instructed in the Cayman, and it is amazing how students get up to pace on that car.
Think about it this way, the Porsche GT3 ran Willows neck and neck with the Z06/Z07.
The Cayman GT4 has only 90 HP less, but also is roughly 200 lbs lighter, better balance, likely better aero, so it really should be in the ball park of the non Z07/Z06. And it can prob run for days without trashing its tires, brakes and heat soak.
I think this car will surprise people. Put it in the hands of an HPDE beginner or intermediate driver, and I have a feeling they would be faster on the GT4 than Z06. I have instructed in the Cayman, and it is amazing how students get up to pace on that car.
Running for days without trashing tires, brakes, and heat soak would be a welcome change, however.
02-04-2015, 03:59 PM
#56
This GT4 is more likely to increase in price used, rather than decrease. I think there will be a huge number of 997 GT3 owners looking at this GT4.
It maybe the car that finally breaks the derision (envy ?) that 911 owners seem to voice for the Cayman.
02-04-2015, 09:34 PM
#59
Resale value of the GT4 is going to be high. That does help with the purchase price.
02-05-2015, 08:01 AM
#60
Safety Car
only people who don't like porsche are the one that don't own one, and just bash them….if they owned one they would love it….
---LOLe I"m just bringing the same douchery from over the C7Z06 section
all in fun really, couldn't help….
you're a hater, period
