RedLS6

Congrats to Team Camaro for a great accomplishment with this platform. The Chevy with the top published lap time at the 'Ring is no longer a Vette.

revo1059

The lack of a Ring time won't help, what will is that while the Z06 "might" overheat (15-16 models) the ZL1 will not. All other things being equal THAT will get a ZL1 in front of a Z06.

The sad part is that the Z06 shouldn't have missed out. They could still run a lap and publish it. At this point it might help to save some face (from a marketing standpoint). Run a 17 and see what they get.

Of course the driver is probably the biggest part. I could be in a Huracan and Jim Mero could be in a C4 ZR1 and he'd probably still smoke me at the track.

Hirohawa

For me it goes back to the successful mission statement of the reborn Z06. With the C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 Corvette truly became a world class sportscar kicking *** on any track. But they were most notable for the successes on the Nurburgring as that is the de facto ultimate performance car benchmark.

The C7 Z06 was HEAVILY marketed with the Ring as a validation point and naturally we expected to see the new time to compare it to the previous two generations - Just as one expects to see 0-60, 1/4 mile, braking etc. So no release of multiple runs there is unacceptable - especially in light of all the Camaro times posted. The C7 platform is about to enter year 5 of production and not one of their three Models has posted a Ring time. That is not right.

Having owned both a new C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 - that I put over 110,000 miles on and several track days on collectively - I was expecting a stellar Nurburgring time. It's continued absence does not sit well.

sam90lx

Yet you are right here with the 8th post.

OP, the C7Z times were not better that the Obsolete ZR1's time.

sam90lx

Yeah, us Beach bums cant afford a C7.
I almost could afford one but the chrome wheels put it out of reach.

BaylorCorvette

Yes, that is correct.

In theory yes, in practice maybe not. In the last two years of tracking (over 2,000 track miles), every event I've been to with a C7 Z06 except for one, has had a C7 Z06 overheat and go into limp mode resulting in them pulling off early. Having a single hero lap is one thing but being able to crack off fast laps for 30 minute stints consistently and reliably is a whole different animal. Meanwhile in this time frame I've had a '13 ZL1 and '16 C7 Z51 neither of which have had an issue (knock on wood). That's tracking in Texas weather ranging from 45*F - 95*F.

OnPoint

Hat tip to Team Camaro. They just dethroned the C6 ZR1 as GM's official, to-date, King of the Ring.

Nicely done.

dar02081961

Sir;
We have litigated this in at least 25 threads over the last 3 years.
Go read what actually happened during the testing if you really care.
But I suspect you already know about the rain, the damage to one of the test vehicles (the A8 I believe) and the gag order the Ring put out when a spectator was killed.

You and I aren't going to resolve this here today.
Folks feel the way they feel about this. To each his own.

Problem is many don't care what the facts are they are going to make the story fit their agenda.

The reason GM is taking more time and ensuring the Ring time for the ZL1 is a "win" for the company is because they didn't take the publication of the Ring time for the Z06 serious enough. They had no idea how bad the publicity would be. The ZL1 is an example of the effect the customer can have on a cars image. It is also an example that GM listens to its customers and is trying not to repeat the same mistakes as they move forward with their performance brands.

I get it.
Not posting a Ring time for the Z06 was a missed opportunity for GM.
Not posting a Ring time for new ACR was a missed opportunity for Dodge as well, but its not a big deal.

Regardless at some point we have to accept their isn't a Ring time for the Z06 and move on.

Hirohawa

I'm still down for the timeshare C7 Z06 for all of us C6 Z06 guys. All we need to do is pool our food stamps and we can meet at my Mom's basement to work out the details.

sam90lx

As long as I get it Tuesday nights to cruise Sonic.

revo1059

I see your points, but they've had years to run a publishable time.

My guess is with the last ACR, Dodge probably figured why spend the $ on a car that is done anyways.

BaylorCorvette

Dodge also went to 13 different tracks and set a new production car lap record on each of the 13 tracks. That is more impressive than a single 'Ring time (If I had to pick one or the other).

However the Viper Exchange is sending two bone stock Viper ACR's to the 'Ring next month to see what it can do.

revo1059

Nice. Be interesting to see the results. maybe the CF should send 2 Z06s.....

dar02081961

But your point is well taken and I respect your input.

My point was the Ring is a single hero lap. And some want to make it the end all to be all in bragging rights.

This is how these discussions go.
The Z06 didn't post a ring time........So the discussion gravitates to an overheating thread about what happens after running 15 or 20 minutes on tracks in 80* plus weather.

Never mind the fact that no one on the planet can over heat properly prepared Z06 in under the 8 minutes it takes to lap the ring.

I hadn't heard of guys overheating properly prepared Z06's in 45* weather. If that's the case I will stand down.

I know in early press events at Road ATL they overheated one in 40ish* weather when it was given to a professional driver after several magazine drivers had thrashed it for an hour or so.

I would bet at those same events you gave as examples there was a Z06 that didn't overheat and finished as well?
I would also bet that the Z06 wasn't the only car to overheat at those events either.

I have been to many tracks including ATL and NCM and have never seen a C7 Z06 over heat in anything less than 70*ish weather.

KnightDriveTV

Thing is, GM has publicly made it known they no longer throttle Camaro to stay beneath the Corvette, they let both teams go full bore and build the best car they can build.

The Camaro just has a great advantage with all that frontal area to pack in the coolers and apply what was learned from the Z06. It is a trickle down, as the Z06 leads the charge, so the ZL1 had a developmental advantage.

We now see a filed suit against GM by a law firm that loves suing GM. I suspect GM saw an issue developing and wanted to downplay the "track nature" of the Z06 due to pending litigation.

It's a shame because, the C7Z06 delivers a lot of car in a compact and fairly lightweight package. If the public cuts GM's legs and makes them pay for trying to build cars with track ability in mind, then they'll quit doing it.

It is what it is...Camaro though...hell of a feat! Hopefully the updated ZR1 will come out with a sub 7:10 and all will be feng shui

revo1059

Makes sense, but the bottom line is that it shouldn't overheat and the ZL1 proves that it can be designed so it doesn't. It shouldn't require pro level racing capability or pin point preparation. I'm not saying you should be able to run 20 laps redlining in 2nd, but the tipping point seems to be set lower than it should be.

TrackAire

Dear Camaro ZL1 1LE,

Thanks for nothing....I worked so hard to sound good and rev to the moon yet you crap on my parade. I know we haven't been best friends, but I do think we push each other over the years to be better. But now you produced this ridiculous Ring time, with an engineer driver no less!! You've really screwed me over. I was the darling of the track crowd, I have exorbitant ADM's on my sticker price and the automotive press felt I was the ultimate track sedan. To get through this difficult time, I'm forming a support group of fellow GT350R's and C7 Z06's to help console and support each other. Damn you Camaro, damn you.

Signed,
The Mustang GT350R

BOBSZ06

I predict this goes to "Other Cars" Forum since not about the Z06.

sam90lx

Upset that this is the new "King" of Street Legal Race Cars?

OnPoint

Yeah that would be the ***** thing to do. Consistent with past practice in here. But *****.