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Old 06-25-2019, 04:04 PM
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Default Very interesting Camaro news given the Corvette going mid-engine

Mods... please don't move to other cars... this is C8 related because may discussions about the C8 going mid engine incorporate the fact that the Camaro would step up to fill the gap for the front engine platform.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...meplate-to-die

I find this very interesting... I still expect the C8 to be a $60K mid-engine, but surprised the Camaro is slated to be axed.
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Old 06-25-2019, 04:27 PM
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Hmm, that is interesting as if indeed, the FE Corvette goes the way of the do-do, I would have thought the Camaro would fill that void.
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Very reputable original source as Muscle Cars & Trucks - friend of mine. He is always careful to not release something that doesn't hold wait, as he understands integrity well. Shame they're killing the Camaro. Even though the last couple of generations haven't been as fun as my younger self remembers the earlier models, this is still sad.
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Please move this to the Camaro forum.
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I am not surprised. The current Camaro performs well but the whole idea is affordable muscle. 50k for a nicely equipped Camaro is BMW territory and most people in the market for a sporty coupe will buy a 4 series for that type of money.
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So not a total kill off but production to go on hiatus... interesting. I'm now waiting for the "this proves there will be a corvette sedan and etc." Posts to follow.
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can the 2+2 and 800 or so pounds heavier Camaro REALLY fill the void in the scenario where the FE Corvette goes extinct?
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post
can the 2+2 and 800 or so pounds heavier Camaro REALLY fill the void in the scenario where the FE Corvette goes extinct?
I never thought so, but it makes you wander what GM's long-term plans for cars in general are?
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Isn't this the same "source" that said the C8 will be un-tunable? I'll believe it when I see it, 2023 is a long way off
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Originally Posted by NewYuriCity View Post
Isn't this the same "source" that said the C8 will be un-tunable? I'll believe it when I see it, 2023 is a long way off
With the new platform developed for autonomous driving, I would expect the C8 to be un-tunable.
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Isn't this the same "source" that said the C8 will be un-tunable? I'll believe it when I see it, 2023 is a long way off
You read both articles explaining that stance, correct? And the fact it came directly from Mark Ruess? So they weren't claiming it as much as reporting it...?

The original, which every one **** themselves over...

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...be-un-tunable/

And the second, to explain it in more detail for said self ********....

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...gives-details/
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Kind of a shame to see it go. Leaving the Mustang and the Challenger the market. I am gong to assume that the majority of the F.E. guys are going to go Mustang, which to me, seems to be the cooler of the pony cars, and the original.Also it is the only one with an uninterrupted history. Guess Ford knew what they were doing with it.
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I donít understand the FE/Camaro connection that continues to be populated on this forum. Who the hell decides that heís not buying a Corvettes because itís no longer FE and decides hey Iíll buy the FE Camaro, because I only buy FE ďsportsĒ cars.

Move this to other cars, has no bearing on the C8.

Chevy killed the Camaro once and if declining sales continue will do it again. No one in GM is thinking we have to keep the Camaro for the Corvette FE diehards...lol.
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Originally Posted by General_TSO View Post
You read both articles explaining that stance, correct? And the fact it came directly from Mark Ruess? So they weren't claiming it as much as reporting it...?

The original, which every one **** themselves over...

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...be-un-tunable/

And the second, to explain it in more detail for said self ********....

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...gives-details/
Yes I did, including in the first article where the guy claims the LT2 will be a DOHC V8, and in the second article where Mark Reuss explains GM has to "pick and choose who are the good guys". I also know how competitive the automotive journalism industry is, and how necessary an attention-grabbing headline is. It could very well be true, but like I said I'll believe it when I see.
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I have said this since day 1.
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder View Post
I never thought so, but it makes you wander what GM's long-term plans for cars in general are?

Very simply, GM has committed to electric and autonomous. Barra and Ruess have both been very clear about this.

The article even cited the transfer of the Camaro chief to the GM electric car shop.

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Originally Posted by rcooper View Post
Kind of a shame to see it go. Leaving the Mustang and the Challenger the market. I am gong to assume that the majority of the F.E. guys are going to go Mustang, which to me, seems to be the cooler of the pony cars, and the original.Also it is the only one with an uninterrupted history. Guess Ford knew what they were doing with it.
Yea but ford went mustang 2. You never go mustang 2. the first cars and the fox bodys are still some sharp looking vehicles. I'll take a fox over a third gen any day lol.
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I've been an "F-Body" fan and/or owner, since 1967, when my father bought a Camaro, which I took my driver's test in, in 1968. In later years, I owned a 1977 and 1985 Firebird, as well as a 1996 Camaro. Every once in a while, I get the itch to provide my C-5 Corvette with a "roommate", and considered a new Camaro. However, despite all the praise they receive from the testers, as automobiles, they're SO DAMNED UGLY, you couldn't give me one...Ö.
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GM does this every time with the F body. They did it with the Fiero, too. GM builds a sporty car, and then they don't update it. The 6th Gen Camaro from the public's standpoint looks identical to the 5th Gen. It has the same visibility problems. The same body style. We are now ten years into this car, and GM wonders why it is not selling well. Duh! Look at the Corvette sales. Same thing. No updates since the release, Sales drop.

Before someone says, "Look at the Challenger. It looks the same, and sales are going up." Yes, but Dodge keeps updating the car. There's a new engine almost every year, and new models every year. Ford updates their Mustang all the time, too. GM? Nope. Stupid.

I can pretty much guarantee that the C8 will come out in 2020, and the base C8 will be the same in 2027 and GM will again be wondering why sales are down.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.
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Maybe gm will move the 2 plus 2 sports coupe as a corvette FE , along with the corvette c8 and add in a corvette crosstrek sport cuv...

the porsche nameplate was actually strengthen with various cuvs and sedans and that did not dilute brand equity...

who wants to spend 48 grand on a blazer RS? VEry few...but a fifty five grand corvette crosstrek would sell like crazy...especially if it performed like a tesla model y as an all ev...

chevrrolet can maintain its value brand image while corvette nameplate can carry even a two plus 2 front engine sport coupe...


i know many will say corvette isnt a brand but after sixty five years the corvette has greater brand equity than even chevrolet...

ask a consumer on the street what has better brand equity ? Chevrolet or corvette and Id bet 99 percent of the answers from john q public would be a quick corvette!

i cant say whats planned for camaro.....live or die.....

personally i think an alpha based 2 plus 2 shaped like the ferrari portofino would be a slick move.....

if gm keeps the camaro? Cool if not but produces a totally newly styled coupe off the alpha or stretched c7 platform...im cool with that too...

its been said the sixth gen camaro platform is the best platform in chevrolet....

i hope the alpha platform is saved...as well as the camaro..l
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