Washington Carbon Tax I 1631
10-26-2018, 10:39 AM
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Washington Carbon Tax I 1631
Hello Pacific Northwesters,
I've spent the last 37 years working in the energy business so am watching Initiative 1631 with interest, especially the claims of those who support this new tax. You can come to your own conclusions about global warming (or we can debate endlessly in PRandC, personally I feel there is a very low percentage probability this could be man made, maybe less than 1% odds),
The supporters of this initiative have been creative in gathering misleading support and endorsements from agencies such as American Lung Association, Doctor and Nurse organizations. Nowhere in this bill is anything reserved for pollutants that affect human health, it is simply a Carbon Tax. Carbon is naturally occurring, the basis of life, and CO2 is a plant fertilizer.
I've worked for major industry, petroleum business, and also for the alternative energy investors, including large projects mandated in California by green initiatives put before the voters there. Seeing how these programs play out is quite a bit different from the naive expectations of folks voting for them.
From my perspective Initiative 1631 will turn out to be a 14 cent per gallon gas tax that climbs to over 55 cents per gallon; with the funds distributed to the seven major wind farm operators that own the american market.
Just a heads up.
Regards.
I've spent the last 37 years working in the energy business so am watching Initiative 1631 with interest, especially the claims of those who support this new tax. You can come to your own conclusions about global warming (or we can debate endlessly in PRandC, personally I feel there is a very low percentage probability this could be man made, maybe less than 1% odds),
The supporters of this initiative have been creative in gathering misleading support and endorsements from agencies such as American Lung Association, Doctor and Nurse organizations. Nowhere in this bill is anything reserved for pollutants that affect human health, it is simply a Carbon Tax. Carbon is naturally occurring, the basis of life, and CO2 is a plant fertilizer.
I've worked for major industry, petroleum business, and also for the alternative energy investors, including large projects mandated in California by green initiatives put before the voters there. Seeing how these programs play out is quite a bit different from the naive expectations of folks voting for them.
From my perspective Initiative 1631 will turn out to be a 14 cent per gallon gas tax that climbs to over 55 cents per gallon; with the funds distributed to the seven major wind farm operators that own the american market.
Just a heads up.
Regards.
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10-26-2018, 09:44 PM
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Agree as well. Typical Seattle bait and switch politics. They tried this a few years back, and the initiative failed. Worried that the sheep might actually go for it this time. They are spending a ton of money to mislead the voters.
10-27-2018, 03:58 PM
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I've been living here for over 40 years now. The state is for all intents and purposes destroyed. I call it my own little **** hole country.
This state has gone full moon bat Commiefornia.
This state has gone full moon bat Commiefornia.
10-27-2018, 07:59 PM
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Several questions I ask of Warmers, when I want to elicit "deer in the headlights" time
1) What is the normal temperature for Earth?
2) Where is the demonstration of a causal relationship between atmospheric CO2 levels and planetary temperature?
3) How does taxing me lower the level of atmospheric CO2?
1) What is the normal temperature for Earth?
2) Where is the demonstration of a causal relationship between atmospheric CO2 levels and planetary temperature?
3) How does taxing me lower the level of atmospheric CO2?
10-29-2018, 04:51 PM
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Several questions I ask of Warmers, when I want to elicit "deer in the headlights" time
1) What is the normal temperature for Earth?
2) Where is the demonstration of a causal relationship between atmospheric CO2 levels and planetary temperature?
3) How does taxing me lower the level of atmospheric CO2?
1) What is the normal temperature for Earth?
2) Where is the demonstration of a causal relationship between atmospheric CO2 levels and planetary temperature?
3) How does taxing me lower the level of atmospheric CO2?
10-30-2018, 04:49 AM
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Honestly when I look at things like this I see two big things. First the biggest polluters are exempt, because the bill writers dont want to upset the economy (I read, Boeing and Kaiser bought them off).
Secondly it is a fact that fuel prices will go up (the companies that produce fuel wont just take a hit, lets be honest here). I am very sensitive to increase in fuel prices. When my wife and I were just starting out I was in college and she was an in home health aid. Honestly if her fuel costs went up even 4 or 5 bucks a week there would be nights when we wouldnt have eaten. Now though it wouldnt matter much to us, but since I lived it I am very aware that there are hard working people just scraping by in jobs that require them to drive, and sometimes the millage allowance from the company doesnt cover it (it didnt for my wife at 18-22 mpg). Those two reasons are why I wont support it.
Secondly it is a fact that fuel prices will go up (the companies that produce fuel wont just take a hit, lets be honest here). I am very sensitive to increase in fuel prices. When my wife and I were just starting out I was in college and she was an in home health aid. Honestly if her fuel costs went up even 4 or 5 bucks a week there would be nights when we wouldnt have eaten. Now though it wouldnt matter much to us, but since I lived it I am very aware that there are hard working people just scraping by in jobs that require them to drive, and sometimes the millage allowance from the company doesnt cover it (it didnt for my wife at 18-22 mpg). Those two reasons are why I wont support it.
11-08-2018, 04:11 AM
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Congrats it was defeated. Never let it get going. Legislators are so influenced by the never ending GREEN brigade.
We in BC have had a carbon tax for 15 years however the right of center govt made an adjustment to our income tax so it was close to equal. Now we have a leftist government. they never stop adding another tax and have again increased the carbon tax. Then our prime minister decide that all of Canada needed a carbon tax.He has threatened the provinces that if they don't implement it he will cut back on their transfer payments for health care.
Like I said Never ever let oit get a foothold because there is no limit to how much they will charge. Its just another cash cow.
We in BC have had a carbon tax for 15 years however the right of center govt made an adjustment to our income tax so it was close to equal. Now we have a leftist government. they never stop adding another tax and have again increased the carbon tax. Then our prime minister decide that all of Canada needed a carbon tax.He has threatened the provinces that if they don't implement it he will cut back on their transfer payments for health care.
Like I said Never ever let oit get a foothold because there is no limit to how much they will charge. Its just another cash cow.
11-09-2018, 09:37 AM
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Honestly when I look at things like this I see two big things. First the biggest polluters are exempt, because the bill writers dont want to upset the economy (I read, Boeing and Kaiser bought them off).
Secondly it is a fact that fuel prices will go up (the companies that produce fuel wont just take a hit, lets be honest here). I am very sensitive to increase in fuel prices. When my wife and I were just starting out I was in college and she was an in home health aid. Honestly if her fuel costs went up even 4 or 5 bucks a week there would be nights when we wouldnt have eaten. Now though it wouldnt matter much to us, but since I lived it I am very aware that there are hard working people just scraping by in jobs that require them to drive, and sometimes the millage allowance from the company doesnt cover it (it didnt for my wife at 18-22 mpg). Those two reasons are why I wont support it.
Secondly it is a fact that fuel prices will go up (the companies that produce fuel wont just take a hit, lets be honest here). I am very sensitive to increase in fuel prices. When my wife and I were just starting out I was in college and she was an in home health aid. Honestly if her fuel costs went up even 4 or 5 bucks a week there would be nights when we wouldnt have eaten. Now though it wouldnt matter much to us, but since I lived it I am very aware that there are hard working people just scraping by in jobs that require them to drive, and sometimes the millage allowance from the company doesnt cover it (it didnt for my wife at 18-22 mpg). Those two reasons are why I wont support it.
2) My own situation parallels yours. We had a period a few years back with four kids in college, could not even write off their tuition, and despite having our own successful business, things were TIGHT. There simply was no slack in our budget. Prior to that i was employed by a local shop that paid about 2/3 of national scale, during that time even small property tax increases wiped out any hope of saving. That is the reality for many folks that are resented for appearing 'successful'. My wife was a great partner, and had every fast food dollar menu memorized. We survived those years, had a great time, but if Obama care had been deployed at that time, one or two kids would have had to sit out several semesters while their social assistance friends could attend.