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Old 10-10-2008, 03:45 PM   #1
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'The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.' -- Cicero , 55 BC

Some things never change, do they.
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It makes a great point but it is a fictional quote -

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In a letter to The Chicago Tribune (20 April 1971), John H. Collins, Professor of History at Northern Illinois University, reported that the following attribution to Cicero,

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The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. The mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence.

It actually originated in A Pillar of Iron (1965), Taylor Caldwell's fictionalized account of the life of the senator. (In fact, Collins noted that it was on page 483 of the edition he had in hand.)

Collins held that the alleged quotation "is totally without documentation," and that "the great bulk of [Caldwell's] quotations are false." He further observed that "[a] historical novelist has a perfect right to put invented conversations and anecdotes into a novel, but should not represent these inventions as authentic history."

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It makes a great point but it is a fictional quote -
Yup. What tipped me off was that the Romans spoke Latin, not English!
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It makes a great point but it is a fictional quote -

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In a letter to The Chicago Tribune (20 April 1971), John H. Collins, Professor of History at Northern Illinois University, reported that the following attribution to Cicero,

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The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. The mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence.

It actually originated in A Pillar of Iron (1965), Taylor Caldwell's fictionalized account of the life of the senator. (In fact, Collins noted that it was on page 483 of the edition he had in hand.)

Collins held that the alleged quotation "is totally without documentation," and that "the great bulk of [Caldwell's] quotations are false." He further observed that "[a] historical novelist has a perfect right to put invented conversations and anecdotes into a novel, but should not represent these inventions as authentic history."

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Darn, and I checked Snopes first too. Searched Cicero and got nothing except Byrd, fomer KKK member, quoting him.
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It might be more accurate than we think.....after all, the Roman Empire DID collapse.
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It might be more accurate than we think.....after all, the Roman Empire DID collapse.

Stop making sense. That will never happen to the United States of America. To even think it means treason.
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It might be more accurate than we think.....after all, the Roman Empire DID collapse.
It collapsed from within -- high taxes, immorality and corruption.

What is that old saying about not remembering history?
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It collapsed from within -- high taxes, immorality and corruption.

Huh...Sounds like what's coming out of DC...
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