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Old 04-27-2009, 02:16 AM   #1
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Let's say for example that a person is a registered Democrat and believes in government assisting people that are truly in need. Along with that he believes that Barack Obama is a decent human being and is doing all within his power to make America a better place and get us out of the financial disaster we are in right now.

At the same time this person strongly believes that marriage is for one man and one woman and anything else is perversion and sin and otherwise just plain wrong and repulsive.

These thoughts occurred to me the other day after Miss California bravely stood up and spoke her mind and was shortly thereafter said to be a Conservative.

Hence, my Burning Question of the Day: Does belief in the traditional meaning of marriage make one a conservative regardless of other issues?
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Let's say for example that a person is a registered Democrat and believes in government assisting people that are truly in need. Along with that he believes that Barack Obama is a decent human being and is doing all within his power to make America a better place and get us out of the financial disaster we are in right now.

At the same time this person strongly believes that marriage is for one man and one woman and anything else is perversion and sin and otherwise just plain wrong and repulsive.

These thoughts occurred to me the other day after Miss California bravely stood up and spoke her mind and was shortly thereafter said to be a Conservative.

Hence, my Burning Question of the Day: Does belief in the traditional meaning of marriage make one a conservative regardless of other issues?
The answer is obvious: no. Plenty of examples - start with MA. Do some research on the issue there. You won't find too many even-cafeteria-Catholics that are thrilled about same sex marriage ... but they ain't conservatives nor republicans.
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No, but one can have conservative opinions on some issues.
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Completely unrelated. Plenty of moderate Dems believe in the traditional definition of marriage, in spite of what the MSM would have you believe.

Belief that government's role in our lives should be as minimal as is practical while still fulfilling its mandates is what makes one a Conservative.
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Let's say for example that a person is a registered Democrat and believes in government assisting people that are truly in need. Along with that he believes that Barack Obama is a decent human being and is doing all within his power to make America a better place and get us out of the financial disaster we are in right now.

At the same time this person strongly believes that marriage is for one man and one woman and anything else is perversion and sin and otherwise just plain wrong and repulsive.

These thoughts occurred to me the other day after Miss California bravely stood up and spoke her mind and was shortly thereafter said to be a Conservative.

Hence, my Burning Question of the Day: Does belief in the traditional meaning of marriage make one a conservative regardless of other issues?
IMO, there is no one issue that determines whether one is a conservative. I believe, however, that Mark Levin has explained true conservative doctrine very well in his recent New York Times Best Seller book Liberty and Tyranny.

OTOH, there are those who are political conservatives and there are those who are Bible believing and Bible practicing Christians.

It is possible to be a Christian, i.e., someone who is going to heaven, and not be a genuine conservative.

It is possible for a liberal to get into heaven.

It is possible for one to be a conservative and not be a Christian as long as one believes in the principles of conservative political and social thought, and the Judeo-Christian heritage of the Founders of our Republic as reflected in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Federalist Papers.

(If someone maintains and/or believes in the philosophy(s) of Islam or Eastern Religions cannot be a genuine conservative. The mind behind all non-Judeo-Christian religions, atheism, and non-Christian cults is Satan and his demonic empire of fallen angels. The Bible calls Satan "the god of this present world" because the Lord God of the Universe has given Satan delegated authority over the human governments and the kingdoms of this present world during the present age until the personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth to set up the true kingdom of God on earth during the literal 1000 year millennial period that will follow.)

However, it is not possible to be an Bible believing and Bible practicing Christian and be, i.e., continue to be, a statist, a modern day humanisti liberal, a modern day progressive, a leftist, a radical, a socialist, a communist, etc. At some point after one becomes a Christian, i.e., believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only source of eternal life, one needs to repent of one's unbiblical beliefs at some point after one is exposed to their heresy by Bible teaching.

Once one becomes a Christian, i.e., believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only source of eternal life, one ALWAYs remains a Christian headed for heaven no matter what one does on earth.

There is no one entirely reliable sign that allows one to determine if someone else is a Christian headed for heaven, i.e., one who has received eternal life. However, the Bible gives many signs that identify people who are living like someone who is headed for the Lake of Fire and has never believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Many people do not understand the precise significance of the coming Antichrist. The Greek preposition "anti" can carry the force of "corresponding to." The Antichrist is someone who will be a counterfeit of the Messiah of Israel. He will be a counterfeit Christ. The most refined and perfect work of Satan is/will be his efforts to create a counterfeit millennium prior to the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth, at which time He will set up His Kingdom on earth, i.e., the true millennium.

The foundational "ministry" of Satan is utopianism (cf. II Corinthians 11:13-15). His primary method of achieving utopianism is through the work of the various false messiahs of human history.

The Lord Jesus Christ predicted that there would be false messiahs who would come upon the scene prior to His return.

Barack Obama is a false messiah. Barack Obama follows in the heritage of many false messiahs who have appeared upon the stage of human history over the past two thousand years. The primary theology of the recent false messiahs of the 20th century has been Marxism, Facsicm, and socialism. These theological philosophical idealogical expressions all fall within the realm of leftist thinking. The National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1920s, 1930s, and early 1940s was a leftist philosophy.

Just like the globe of the earth, once you head far enough "right" you end up on the "left." It is not possible for a genuine conservative to be an "extreme right-winger." The David Dukes of the world are just wrong. They aren't right.


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Completely unrelated. Plenty of moderate Dems believe in the traditional definition of marriage, in spite of what the MSM would have you believe.

Belief that government's role in our lives should be as minimal as is practical while still fulfilling its mandates is what makes one a Conservative.
That and individual freedom and following the Constitution and how our Founding Fathers envisioned America.
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Let's say for example that a person is a registered Democrat and believes in government assisting people that are truly in need. Along with that he believes that Barack Obama is a decent human being and is doing all within his power to make America a better place and get us out of the financial disaster we are in right now.
The rights of and faith in the individual.

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At the same time this person strongly believes that marriage is for one man and one woman and anything else is perversion and sin and otherwise just plain wrong and repulsive.
Thoughts occurred to me the other day after Miss California bravely stood up and spoke her mind and was shortly thereafter said to be a Conservative.

Hence, my Burning Question of the Day: Does belief in the traditional meaning of marriage make one a conservative regardless of other issues?
Miss California and President Obama have precisely the same views on marriage. Miss California is a hater, President Obama is tolerant.

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IMO, there is no one issue that determines whether one is a conservative. I believe, however, that Mark Levin has explained true conservative doctrine very well in his recent New York Times Best Seller book Liberty and Tyranny.

OTOH, there are those who are political conservatives and there are those who are Bible believing and Bible practicing Christians.

It is possible to be a Christian, i.e., someone who is going to heaven, and not be a genuine conservative.

It is possible for a liberal to get into heaven.

It is possible for one to be a conservative and not be a Christian as long as one believes in the principles of conservative political and social thought, and the Judeo-Christian heritage of the Founders of our Republic as reflected in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Federalist Papers.

(If someone maintains and/or believes in the philosophy(s) of Islam or Eastern Religions cannot be a genuine conservative. The mind behind all non-Judeo-Christian religions, atheism, and non-Christian cults is Satan and his demonic empire of fallen angels. The Bible calls Satan "the god of this present world" because the Lord God of the Universe has given Satan delegated authority over the human governments and the kingdoms of this present world during the present age until the personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth to set up the true kingdom of God on earth during the literal 1000 year millennial period that will follow.)

However, it is not possible to be an Bible believing and Bible practicing Christian and be, i.e., continue to be, a statist, a modern day humanisti liberal, a modern day progressive, a leftist, a radical, a socialist, a communist, etc. At some point after one becomes a Christian, i.e., believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only source of eternal life, one needs to repent of one's unbiblical beliefs at some point after one is exposed to their heresy by Bible teaching.

Once one becomes a Christian, i.e., believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as the only source of eternal life, one ALWAYs remains a Christian headed for heaven no matter what one does on earth.

There is no one entirely reliable sign that allows one to determine if someone else is a Christian headed for heaven, i.e., one who has received eternal life. However, the Bible gives many signs that identify people who are living like someone who is headed for the Lake of Fire and has never believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Many people do not understand the precise significance of the coming Antichrist. The Greek preposition "anti" can carry the force of "corresponding to." The Antichrist is someone who will be a counterfeit of the Messiah of Israel. He will be a counterfeit Christ. The most refined and perfect work of Satan is/will be his efforts to create a counterfeit millennium prior to the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth, at which time He will set up His Kingdom on earth, i.e., the true millennium.

The foundational "ministry" of Satan is utopianism (cf. II Corinthians 11:13-15). His primary method of achieving utopianism is through the work of the various false messiahs of human history.

The Lord Jesus Christ predicted that there would be false messiahs who would come upon the scene prior to His return.

Barack Obama is a false messiah. Barack Obama follows in the heritage of many false messiahs who have appeared upon the stage of human history over the past two thousand years. The primary theology of the recent false messiahs of the 20th century has been Marxism, Facsicm, and socialism. These theological philosophical idealogical expressions all fall within the realm of leftist thinking. The National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1920s, 1930s, and early 1940s was a leftist philosophy.

Just like the globe of the earth, once you head far enough "right" you end up on the "left." It is not possible for a genuine conservative to be an "extreme right-winger." The David Dukes of the world are just wrong. They aren't right.

Well structured statement that personifies why I, even as a psuedo-believe-in-something, non-technical "Christian" say that after you measure it all - I'm with the Christians and Jews

You gotta pick a side - you can't sit out humanity, evolution, or the big game
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You gotta pick a side - you can't sit out humanity, evolution, or the big game
I understand your statement but don't agree, I don't find it necessary to pick a side just to explain the unknown or things that I don't understand.
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http://www.salem-news.com/articles/o...s_10_17_07.php

Some of the more notable listed below!

Mark Foley

U.S. Representative
(September 28, 2006)

The Crime: Sending sexually laced, grammatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teen aged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.

The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
Ted Haggard

Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
(November 2006)

The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.

The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisers where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
Larry Craig

U.S. Senator
Senate Liaison for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
(June 11, 2007)

The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom

The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
Bob Allen

Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
(July 11, 2007)

The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 in a men’s room in a public park.

The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
Glenn Murphy Jr.

National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
(July 28, 2007)

The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house.

The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.






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Yeah right.
Tell me why you think Lowflight's statement is incorrect?
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Tell me why you think Lowflight's statement is incorrect?
Because he's implying that only conservatives are moral and that's BS.
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Does belief in the traditional meaning of marriage make one a conservative regardless of other issues?
No.

I see the key to being a Conservative as having a high degree of self-reliance and sense of personal responsibility.
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Obviously you did not try to find any democratic scandals starting with Bill Clinton!

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Obviously you did not try to find any democratic scandals starting with Bill Clinton!

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Nor did I claim "morality" for him.
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Nor did I claim "morality" for him.
Politicians have no "morality!"

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You obomo lovers and libbies would never understand.
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