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We had an AC-130U Gunship in Benghazi, Obama refused to authorize it to fire!

 
Old 10-29-2012, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jcsperson View Post
Where would we have staged an AC-130 for Somalia? What drones would we have used for surveillance?
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LTC Z06 View Post
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Maybe, but there were no drones. At least nothing like we have today.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:28 PM
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We didn't use AC-130s for Somalia either, so I'm not surprised.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:42 PM
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SS and Apoc, what say you? Do you agree the NCA did nothing?
no I don't......
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:49 PM
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Not anymore Peter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...over-benghazi/
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
no I don't......
why did your president sacrifice the life of ambassador stevens + 3 others??????

criminal negligence bordering on accessory to murder.

stevens was the spearhead of a gun-running deal with al-qaeda and something went south. hence he had to be sacrificed so obama's face could be saved. 'cept we're finding out about it and it is NOT gonna go well for your soros-puppet president.
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Originally Posted by jcsperson View Post
Where would we have staged an AC-130 for Somalia? What drones would we have used for surveillance?
Defense Secretary Les Aspin and his deputies rejected sending needed tanks and armored vehicles to Somalia because they feared a political backlash would undermine their pro-United Nations policy, says a Senate Armed Services Committee report.

The armor, as well as AC-130 gunships that also were withheld, was sought by commanders to protect U.S. troops, the report stated.
http://www.netnomad.com/powell.html
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Originally Posted by tempest62 View Post
why did your president sacrifice the life of ambassador stevens + 3 others??????

criminal negligence bordering on accessory to murder.

stevens was the spearhead of a gun-running deal with al-qaeda and something went south. hence he had to be sacrificed so obama's face could be saved. 'cept we're finding out about it and it is NOT gonna go well for your soros-puppet president.
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.
Quick question, do you deny that the administration denied the consulates requests for more security in Augist 2012?
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.

Four American dead.
Order to stand down is given.
Obama is AWOL in the situation room.
Obama and Hilary go on a apology tour.
Obama goes off to Vegas.
Weeks go by, and the movie is still the being used as the excuse.
70 million plus, spent in apology propaganda in the Middle East.
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.
by you, over and over, pitiful

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Old 10-30-2012, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.
Obama. Didn't. Even. Try.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SSWEET View Post
^^^^^^ total ignorance.....again and again.
^^^^^^^ willful ignorance.....again and again.
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RC45 View Post
No.

Wrong.

Incorrect.
The point is that within a few hours of the FIRST round being fired the USA should have sent in force of some type to retake and secure the consulate.

Why the obsessive need to keep defending the indefensible?
What is wrong about the confusing nature of the email? It seemed to indicate fighting was over and that they had cleared the compound. Which is even further confusing considering they had no idea at that time where the ambassador was.
Within a few hours of the FIRST round being fired, the security team from the embassy in Tripoli WAS being sent in, and they made it there and helped evacuate. Secondly, that wasn't even a consulate. Consular services were implemented at the embassy in Tripoli shortly before Stevens died. You won't even find the Benghazi site as a consulate (or even diplomatic mission) on the State Department website. You made a claim about the duration of fire taken by the annex that you cannot support; in fact, most reports said the annex was only taking really heavy fire (that would support involvement of gunships) for 2 hours.
There is no need to defend the indefensible. There is a need to examine under what conditions an AC-130 can provide accurate fire support in only 2 hours notice (starting from first shot @ "consulate" to confusing email stating fighting was over, then from Marines arriving at annex to the end), with no solid intelligence about what enemy weapons were brought to bear, with no guarantee they could not avoid another 3:1 civilian:enemy kill ratio in an urban setting, or a debacle like Desert One or Somalia.
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Originally Posted by Guibo View Post
What is wrong about the confusing nature of the email? It seemed to indicate fighting was over and that they had cleared the compound. Which is even further confusing considering they had no idea at that time where the ambassador was.
Within a few hours of the FIRST round being fired, the security team from the embassy in Tripoli WAS being sent in, and they made it there and helped evacuate. Secondly, that wasn't even a consulate. Consular services were implemented at the embassy in Tripoli shortly before Stevens died. You won't even find the Benghazi site as a consulate (or even diplomatic mission) on the State Department website. You made a claim about the duration of fire taken by the annex that you cannot support; in fact, most reports said the annex was only taking really heavy fire (that would support involvement of gunships) for 2 hours.
There is no need to defend the indefensible. There is a need to examine under what conditions an AC-130 can provide accurate fire support in only 2 hours notice (starting from first shot @ "consulate" to confusing email stating fighting was over, then from Marines arriving at annex to the end), with no solid intelligence about what enemy weapons were brought to bear, with no guarantee they could not avoid another 3:1 civilian:enemy kill ratio in an urban setting, or a debacle like Desert One or Somalia.
Well, that is news to the folks who testified in front of Congress as to whether they requested additional security at the CONSULATE.

Now your story is "it wasn't even a consular mission so why save anyone?"

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Some here should just stop digging.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dexter View Post
Gotta go w the libs. They know everything. But imagine how different their response would be if this was bush at the helm. They'd be marching down Peniselvania ave screaming for his head. The myopia and hippocracy is what's truely pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Guibo View Post
Secondly, that wasn't even a consulate. Consular services were implemented at the embassy in Tripoli shortly before Stevens died. You won't even find the Benghazi site as a consulate (or even diplomatic mission) on the State Department website.


I don't give a rats azz what the Obama administration puts on a website. I watched the Congressional hearings. The State Department officials had a chart board with a street map of Benghazi, showing the consulate. There was much discussion about the "consulate."

Idiots.
Obama idiots.
My God, where do these idiots come from?


Originally Posted by RC45 View Post
Well, that is news to the folks who testified in front of Congress as to whether they requested additional security at the CONSULATE.

Now your story is "it wasn't even a consular mission so why save anyone?"


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Old 10-30-2012, 08:27 PM
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What if Obama wouldn't send an AC-130 because he knew for a fact that the bad guys in Benghazi had shoulder fired surface to air missiles and didn't want an AC-130 brought down so close to November?

The next great question is: How would Obama know such a thing? Hint: [Fast&Furious ^10]
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