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Old 04-21-2017, 12:42 PM   #41
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I love how you and others here are putting words in my mouth to defend your own idiocy by saying the idiocy on the opposite side of your ideological war is worse because of XYZ.

I don't condone violence or vandalism and I stipulated that those on the left tend to be younger and more volatile. To you, that makes them worse and you have a point.

However, those on the right can be and have been violent and said violence tends to be more against people than property and more intimate and focused than violence on the left. The general attitudes are also similar. That's my point.

Let's take the criticism of what I said about the OP subject in particular...

You and a few others totally miss the point of what I said due to your own bias and hatred of the "other side".

Yes, Berkley is wrong for not allowing Coulter to speak when they let Farrakhan speak. Opposing points of view should never be silenced. You can't have a functioning republic without opposing point of view being given an equal voice. Not sure how what I said puts me "on the plantation" or makes me a "pseudointellectual" or "in denial about the left".

I don't have to pick a side. I don't have to attack the left or right or support the left or the right to make a point about either side. That's fallacious thinking.
You can keep making these unsubstantiated claims about the right being violent or "just like the left" all you want. Meanwhile the right can point to dozens of recent documented cases of actual violence from the left. You can do no such thing about the right.

Btw, your attacks on the TP are truly laughable. The stark comparison between the TP and Occupy is the perfect example of just how different the two sides are.

There is a reason you continue to bury your head in and the sand though. Though you try to deny it, you're clearly liberal in nature yourself. You don't want to take any responsibility for the behavior of your ilk. You want to believe conservatives are just as bad as liberals, when that is demonstrably false.
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You can keep making these unsubstantiated claims about the right being violent or "just like the left" all you want. Meanwhile the right can point to dozens of recent documented cases of actual violence from the left. You can do no such thing about the right.

Btw, your attacks on the TP are truly laughable. The stark comparison between the TP and Occupy is the perfect example of just how different the two sides are.

There is a reason you continue to bury your head in and the sand though. Though you try to deny it, you're clearly liberal in nature yourself. You don't want to take any responsibility for the behavior of your ilk. You want to believe conservatives are just as bad as liberals, when that is demonstrably false.
The bolded is the gist of your post.

I just HAVE to be a liberal because I don't subscribe to your point of view about the right being more righteous. What you fail the grasp is that both sides have their violent followers who sully their movements by doing and saying things in the names of their ideology.

I'm sorry, but the while the KKK might have been born in the Democratic Party when they were terrorizing and killing people by the hundreds, they were right-wing, not left-wing back then.

The Aryan Nation, Neo-*****, etc. are right-wing, not left-wing.

Most terror attacks in this country are perpetrated by left-wingers, but just because one side of the aisle appears to be less violent than the other side aisle doesn't make the supposedly less violent side any better or more righteous.

I'm not keeping a damn scorecard. I think both sides of the ideological aisle are stupid.
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And conservatives aren't equally as "feverish" about their belief system?
No, because conservatives aren't the ones running around looting stores, beating people and rioting! "Both sides do it!" simply isn't going to cut it here, and no amount of your bullshit pseudo psycho babble is going to change that.
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The bolded is the gist of your post.

I just HAVE to be a liberal because I don't subscribe to your point of view about the right being more righteous. What you fail the grasp is that both sides have their violent followers who sully their movements by doing and saying things in the names of their ideology.

I'm sorry, but the while the KKK might have been born in the Democratic Party when they were terrorizing and killing people by the hundreds, they were right-wing, not left-wing back then.

The Aryan Nation, Neo-*****, etc. are right-wing, not left-wing.

Most terror attacks in this country are perpetrated by left-wingers, but just because one side of the aisle appears to be less violent than the other side aisle doesn't make the supposedly less violent side any better or more righteous.

I'm not keeping a damn scorecard. I think both sides of the ideological aisle are stupid.
Oh believe us. It's very clear you're "not keeping a damn scorecard" -- otherwise you'd realize there is a huge disparity between the pervasive ongoing violence of today's left vs. today's right.

BLM = violent extremists
Occupy = violent extremists
Antifa = violent extremists

Noticing a pattern yet? Of course not, cuz you're "not keeping score".
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Btw, your attacks on the TP are truly laughable. The stark comparison between the TP and Occupy is the perfect example of just how different the two sides are.
But you forget that the TP kept leaving the scenes of their protests cleaner than when they arrived. This was a horrible thing, because it took jobs away from union street sweepers. Horrible damn anti-union right wing terror is what it was!!!

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Common Sense Try it some time.
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...I'm sorry, but the while the KKK might have been born in the Democratic Party when they were terrorizing and killing people by the hundreds, they were right-wing, not left-wing back then.

The Aryan Nation, Neo-*****, etc. are right-wing, not left-wing...
Please be so kind as to tell us what specifically classifies the KKK and Neo-***** as "right-wing".
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Please be so kind as to tell us what specifically classifies the KKK and Neo-***** as "right-wing".
He (CD) will not be so kind to communicate an answer with his personal opinion (not unless prompted).

The KKK was founded by Democrats, as a masked front for their Party ideals, with the goal of supressing the power of the Black vote.

The **** party has no USA origin, but founded by an alliance between Communists and Socialists, before Hitler purged those who did not embrace his evolved Fascist Party.

The current parallel is manipulation of minority voices to keep them oppressed to sustain their anger, and the coalition of Communists and Socialists to focus the minority anger into a unified coalition. This is the Democrat-Socialists following the **** organization manual.
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He (CD) will not be so kind to communicate an answer with his personal opinion (not unless prompted).

The KKK was founded by Democrats, as a masked front for their Party ideals, with the goal of supressing the power of the Black vote.

The **** party has no USA origin, but founded by an alliance between Communists and Socialists, before Hitler purged those who did not embrace his evolved Fascist Party.

The current parallel is manipulation of minority voices to keep them oppressed to sustain their anger, and the coalition of Communists and Socialists to focus the minority anger into a unified coalition. This is the Democrat-Socialists following the **** organization manual.
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Boy, you couldn't be more wrong about me.

Additionally, you couldn't be more wrong about what the KKK and Aryan movements are based upon.

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Please be so kind as to tell us what specifically classifies the KKK and Neo-***** as "right-wing".
Gladly.

For starters, it is how the FBI and DHS designates such groups. Of course, your reply to that statement of fact is that it's the "liberal government", or some such nonsense, trying to label conservatives as racists.

Conservatism doesn't equal "racist".

Let me repeat that....

Conservatism doesn't equal "racist".

Right-wing politics isn't exactly equivalent with conservatism either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

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Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, *****, and racial supremacists.[21]
I'm far from the only person who recognizes that the KKK and other white supremacist groups are right-wing. Every extreme political wing is made up of crazy, immoral, detestable elements. The left-wing is no different and they own their set of crazies and miscreants as well. Again, many, if not most, terrorist events in this country and others are perpetrated by people with left-wing politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo.
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Boy, you couldn't be more wrong about me.

Additionally, you couldn't be more wrong about what the KKK and Aryan movements are based upon.



Gladly.

For starters, it is how the FBI and DHS designates such groups. Of course, your reply to that statement of fact is that it's the "liberal government", or some such nonsense, trying to label conservatives as racists.

Conservatism doesn't equal "racist".

Let me repeat that....

Conservatism doesn't equal "racist".

Right-wing politics isn't exactly equivalent with conservatism either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics



I'm far from the only person who recognizes that the KKK and other white supremacist groups are right-wing. Every extreme political wing is made up of crazy, immoral, detestable elements. The left-wing is no different and they own their set of crazies and miscreants as well. Again, many, if not most, terrorist events in this country and others are perpetrated by people with left-wing politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo.
CD, we get what other people contend the definition of these groups reflects from the media narrative, but what do you think (your opinion, your words)?

Does the current KKK act more like Socialists, Libertarians, or Conservatives (your observations, your opinion with your education and experience)?

Is the current KKK more, or less, violent and organized than the ANTIFA and BLM organizations?

Who do you witness and experience more violence from (in your understanding of the news), the KKK, or the ANTIFA or BLM organizations?
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CD, we get what other people contend the definition of these groups reflects from the media narrative, but what do you think (your opinion, your words)?
Not to be condescending, but where I didn't cite things in my post represents my opinion and my words.

Of course, how the FBI, DHS, and other law enforcement agencies categorize a group matters. It matters quite a bit.

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Does the current KKK act more like Socialists, Libertarians, or Conservatives (your observations, your opinion with your education and experience)?
The current KKK acts the same way they did since its inception. They advocate white supremacy. Happily, they don't have the power and influence they once did.

None of that has anything to do with political ideology, per se. However, what I said in my previous post still stands...

The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo.

Those are MY words based on an informed and educated opinion.

Again, "conservative" doesn't mean "racist", so don't think that I'm saying it does mean that. Groups with nefarious intentions that co-opt political ideology don't define said ideology.

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Is the current KKK more, or less, violent and organized than the ANTIFA and BLM organizations?

Who do you witness and experience more violence from (in your understanding of the news), the KKK, or the ANTIFA or BLM organizations?
No need to defend your ideology. The KKK has a history of violence and terrorism that goes without saying and as I said, "conservative" doesn't mean "racist".

ANTIFA and BLM are prime examples of left-wing violence and lunacy.

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Not to be condescending, but where I didn't cite things in my post represents my opinion and my words.

Of course, how the FBI, DHS, and other law enforcement agencies categorize a group matters. It matters quite a bit.



The current KKK acts the same way they did since its inception. They advocate white supremacy. Happily, they don't have the power and influence they once did.

None of that has anything to do with political ideology, per se. However, what I said in my previous post still stands...

The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo.

Those are MY words based on an informed and educated opinion.

Again, "conservative" doesn't mean "racist", so don't think that I'm saying it does mean that. Groups with nefarious intentions that co-opt political ideology don't define said ideology.



No need to defend your ideology. The KKK has a history of violence and terrorism that goes without saying and as I said, "conservative" doesn't mean "racist".

ANTIFA and BLM are prime examples of left-wing violence and lunacy.
Do read any conflicts or incongruous context between these two statements:

"The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo."

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""conservative" doesn't mean "racist", so don't think that I'm saying it does mean that. "

So are White Supremacists Conservatives, are can they be Liberals?

A Conservative White Supremacist is not racist, but a Liberal White Supremacist is?

Does the modern KKK have a history of violence, in the same context that modern Liberals embrace classical Libertarian ideology (was it your overt intent to employ a flawed use of context)?

Have you ever researched if the violence of the old KKK was motivated by ignorant (modern context) Conservative followers or manipulative (modern context) Liberal Democratic Party leadership?

Has the KKK changed?

Has the Democratic Party changed?


You claim to know my ideology? My ideology embraces the right to choose, ambivalence to race, religion, sexual preference, wealth, or origin, as long as the collective freedoms are equally enjoyed by all. To recognize equal freedom of choice the context of definitions must not fall on obsolete narratives.

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Do read any conflicts or incongruous context between these two statements:

"The root word of conservative is "conserve". It's pretty logical that anyone wanting to preserve white supremacy or white identity politics would identify themselves as conservatives to maintain or "conserve" the old status quo."

and

""conservative" doesn't mean "racist", so don't think that I'm saying it does mean that. "

So are White Supremacists Conservatives, are can they be Liberals?
There is nothing incongruent about my statements. The old Dixiecrats who wanted to maintain white supremacy were very much right-wing and co-opted the conservative movement.

To answer your question above, a white supremacist can very well be a liberal politically. El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz articulated this fact most succinctly.

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Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political “football game” that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

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A Conservative White Supremacist is not racist, but a Liberal White Supremacist is?

Does the modern KKK have a history of violence, in the same context that modern Liberals embrace classical Libertarian ideology (was it your overt intent to employ a flawed use of context)?

Have you ever researched if the violence of the old KKK was motivated by ignorant (modern context) Conservative followers or manipulative (modern context) Liberal Democratic Party leadership?

Has the KKK changed?

Has the Democratic Party changed?


You claim to know my ideology? My ideology embraces the right to choose, ambivalence to race, religion, sexual preference, wealth, or origin, as long as the collective freedoms are equally enjoyed by all. To recognize equal freedom of choice the context of definitions must not fall on obsolete narratives.

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I think my response to your first question answers all of your other questions.

As to your personal ideology, I happen to feel the same way you do.

So are we really that different?
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There is nothing incongruent about my statements. The old Dixiecrats who wanted to maintain white supremacy were very much right-wing and co-opted the conservative movement.

To answer your question above, a white supremacist can very well be a liberal politically. El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz articulated this fact most succinctly.






I think my response to your first question answers all of your other questions.

As to your personal ideology, I happen to feel the same way you do.

So are we really that different?
We are alike.

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Wow. I have to thank CD for educating me. I didn't know Robert (KKK Grand Kleagle and recruiter) Byrd was a conservative Republican.

Look at the behavior done by right wingers in the last election cycle as they dared to openly support someone who wants to bring traditional values back to America. The result is a misunderstood crowd just exercising their first amendment rights to punch, kick, spit and throw eggs at those stupid Trump supporters. A CD wet dream.


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We are alike.

Detroit Red grew wise in his older years.

Indeed.

Post-Hajj Malcolm was very much a pure libertarian.
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If they allowed Farrakhan to speak (they did some time back), then they should allow Coulter to speak. Hearing opposing points of view (or simply other points of view) is what the college experience is supposed to be about.
No ****, Sherlock.
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