JUDGE RULES IN accost'as Favor..
11-18-2018, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by basicstrategy777
What is your opinion on the intern ?....should she have kept persisting or did she do enough to warrent...."well,,,she did her job".......I don't know whether her peers thought she did what she could or she should have pressed on. It will be interesting to see if they were de-briefed and whether they will handle future flare ups differently.
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11-18-2018, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Calling me a leftist does not make any difference to me and it really doesn’t strengthen your argument.
The bottom line is that you (et al) have to rely on ad hominem insults and groupthink to feel better about your points of view vs actually defending it. Of course, it’s difficult to defend the indefensible.
11-18-2018, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
And this very illuminating post proves my point. Instead of proffering a cogent and thoughtful counterpoint to QS, you are advocating for Grumpy to “pull his press pass” because you want to shut him down.
11-18-2018, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972
Nonsense. It's the people's house, not some temporary occupant.
Nonsense. It's the people's house, not some temporary occupant.
Oh that's right, your not actually pdiddy, you just stole his name.
11-19-2018, 11:02 AM
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14-day temporary ban from the initial court injunction.
Guess what? There probably won't be any press briefings till then.
CNN is in a losing battle on this IMO. Decency, respect and decorum *should* win at every turn of this debacle.
Guess what? There probably won't be any press briefings till then.
CNN is in a losing battle on this IMO. Decency, respect and decorum *should* win at every turn of this debacle.
11-19-2018, 05:45 PM
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This just popped up on my feed. Apparently, the WH is backing down?
I'm hugely disappointed if that's the case.
https://apple.news/ANmfbaG8fTXaVFlT0c1HyzA
Updated 3:53 PM ET, Mon November 19, 2018
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CNN signaled that it would drop the ongoing litigation over Acosta's access to the White House.
"Today the White House fully restored Jim Acosta's press pass. As a result, our lawsuit is no longer necessary," the network said in a statement. "We look forward to continuing to cover the White House."
Monday afternoon's announcement, what the White House called a "final determination," was an abrupt shift from the administration's earlier positions.
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Have you thought about how you’d like to live in retirement or where you’d like to end up?Nearly two weeks ago the Trump administration took the unprecedented step of suspending Acosta's access to the White House after he had a contentious exchange with President Trump at a press conference.
When a federal judge sided with CNN and issued a temporary restraining order last Friday, thereby forcing the White House to restore his press pass for 14 days, the administration continued to threaten his access.
In a private letter to Acosta that same evening, two of the defendants in CNN's suit -- press secretary Sarah Sanders and deputy chief of staff for communications Bill Shine -- cited Acosta's conduct at the November 7 press conference, where he asked multiple follow-up questions and didn't give up the microphone right away. "You failed to abide" by "basic, widely understood practices," the letter to Acosta claimed.
Many journalists have challenged the administration's actions, pointing out that aggressive questioning is a tradition that dates back decades. But Trump appeared eager to advance an argument about White House press corps "decorum," no matter how hypocritical.
The letter from Shine and Sanders said their "preliminary decision" after the press conference was to suspend the press pass. This indicated that the White House could take further action against Acosta as soon as the judge's temporary restraining order expired.
It was also a sign that the White House was trying to establish a paper trail. The judge in the case, Timothy J. Kelly, had criticized the government for not following due process before banning Acosta on November 7. His ruling in Acosta and CNN's favor was on Fifth Amendment due process grounds.
So Friday night's letter offered Acosta a chance to contest the decision and said a "final determination" would be made by Monday at 3 p.m.
Lawyers for Acosta and CNN did respond, forcefully, in a letter and in a court filing.
They had signaled a willingness to settle after prevailing in court on Friday. But in a new motion on Monday morning, they said the defendants "did not respond to this offer to cooperate." Instead, the letter from Shine and Sanders was an "attempt to provide retroactive due process," the filing alleged.
So CNN and Acosta asked the judge to set a schedule of deadlines for motions and hearings that would give the network the chance to win a preliminary injunction, a longer form of court-ordered protection to Acosta's press pass.
They were seeking a hearing "for the week of November 26, 2018, or as soon thereafter as possible," according to the court filing.
The judge had yet to file on that request when the Monday at 3 p.m. deadline came.
A new Monday afternoon letter from Sanders and Shine included no expiration date, though it does contain the general threat to take action against any reporter who flouts new "rules."
"Having received a formal reply from your counsel to our letter of November 16, we have made a final determination in this process: your hard pass is restored," the White House said in a new letter to Acosta. "Should you refuse to follow these rules in the future, we will take action in accordance with the rules set forth above. The President is aware of this decision and concurs."
The letter detailed several new rules for reporter conduct at presidential press conferences, including "a single question" from each journalist. Follow-ups will only be permitted "at the discretion of the President or other White House officials."
The case was assigned to Judge Kelly when CNN filed suit last Tuesday. Kelly was appointed to the bench by Trump last year, and confirmed with bipartisan support in the Senate. He heard oral arguments on Wednesday and granted CNN's request for a temporary restraining order on Friday.
Trump seemed to shrug off the loss that day, telling Fox's Chris Wallace in an interview that "it's not a big deal."He said the White House would "create rules and regulations for conduct" so that the administration can revoke press passes in the future.
"If he misbehaves," Trump said, apparently referring to Acosta, "we'll throw him out or we'll stop the news conference."
I'm hugely disappointed if that's the case.
https://apple.news/ANmfbaG8fTXaVFlT0c1HyzA
White House backs down from legal fight, restores Jim Acosta's press pass
By Brian Stelter and David Shortell, CNNUpdated 3:53 PM ET, Mon November 19, 2018
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Trump: Freedom of the press is important to me
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(CNN)The White House on Monday said that CNN correspondent Jim Acosta's press pass has been "restored," bowing to days of pressure and a federal lawsuit against the administration.CNN signaled that it would drop the ongoing litigation over Acosta's access to the White House.
"Today the White House fully restored Jim Acosta's press pass. As a result, our lawsuit is no longer necessary," the network said in a statement. "We look forward to continuing to cover the White House."
Monday afternoon's announcement, what the White House called a "final determination," was an abrupt shift from the administration's earlier positions.
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Have you thought about how you’d like to live in retirement or where you’d like to end up?Nearly two weeks ago the Trump administration took the unprecedented step of suspending Acosta's access to the White House after he had a contentious exchange with President Trump at a press conference.
When a federal judge sided with CNN and issued a temporary restraining order last Friday, thereby forcing the White House to restore his press pass for 14 days, the administration continued to threaten his access.
In a private letter to Acosta that same evening, two of the defendants in CNN's suit -- press secretary Sarah Sanders and deputy chief of staff for communications Bill Shine -- cited Acosta's conduct at the November 7 press conference, where he asked multiple follow-up questions and didn't give up the microphone right away. "You failed to abide" by "basic, widely understood practices," the letter to Acosta claimed.
Many journalists have challenged the administration's actions, pointing out that aggressive questioning is a tradition that dates back decades. But Trump appeared eager to advance an argument about White House press corps "decorum," no matter how hypocritical.
The letter from Shine and Sanders said their "preliminary decision" after the press conference was to suspend the press pass. This indicated that the White House could take further action against Acosta as soon as the judge's temporary restraining order expired.
It was also a sign that the White House was trying to establish a paper trail. The judge in the case, Timothy J. Kelly, had criticized the government for not following due process before banning Acosta on November 7. His ruling in Acosta and CNN's favor was on Fifth Amendment due process grounds.
So Friday night's letter offered Acosta a chance to contest the decision and said a "final determination" would be made by Monday at 3 p.m.
Lawyers for Acosta and CNN did respond, forcefully, in a letter and in a court filing.
They had signaled a willingness to settle after prevailing in court on Friday. But in a new motion on Monday morning, they said the defendants "did not respond to this offer to cooperate." Instead, the letter from Shine and Sanders was an "attempt to provide retroactive due process," the filing alleged.
So CNN and Acosta asked the judge to set a schedule of deadlines for motions and hearings that would give the network the chance to win a preliminary injunction, a longer form of court-ordered protection to Acosta's press pass.
They were seeking a hearing "for the week of November 26, 2018, or as soon thereafter as possible," according to the court filing.
The judge had yet to file on that request when the Monday at 3 p.m. deadline came.
A new Monday afternoon letter from Sanders and Shine included no expiration date, though it does contain the general threat to take action against any reporter who flouts new "rules."
"Having received a formal reply from your counsel to our letter of November 16, we have made a final determination in this process: your hard pass is restored," the White House said in a new letter to Acosta. "Should you refuse to follow these rules in the future, we will take action in accordance with the rules set forth above. The President is aware of this decision and concurs."
The letter detailed several new rules for reporter conduct at presidential press conferences, including "a single question" from each journalist. Follow-ups will only be permitted "at the discretion of the President or other White House officials."
The case was assigned to Judge Kelly when CNN filed suit last Tuesday. Kelly was appointed to the bench by Trump last year, and confirmed with bipartisan support in the Senate. He heard oral arguments on Wednesday and granted CNN's request for a temporary restraining order on Friday.
Trump seemed to shrug off the loss that day, telling Fox's Chris Wallace in an interview that "it's not a big deal."He said the White House would "create rules and regulations for conduct" so that the administration can revoke press passes in the future.
"If he misbehaves," Trump said, apparently referring to Acosta, "we'll throw him out or we'll stop the news conference."
11-19-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dpd3672
This just popped up on my feed. Apparently, the WH is backing down?
I'm hugely disappointed if that's the case.
https://apple.news/ANmfbaG8fTXaVFlT0c1HyzA
I'm hugely disappointed if that's the case.
https://apple.news/ANmfbaG8fTXaVFlT0c1HyzA
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
11-19-2018, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Why are you disappointed?
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
11-19-2018, 06:26 PM
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I'd put an RFID chip in his press pass so they could keep track of his whereabouts...
11-19-2018, 06:27 PM
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Acosta should send Trump a Christmas card. Acosta is now the poster child for the 1A.
The guy who got the President to back down.
The guy who got the President to back down.
11-19-2018, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vette6799
If there were no press conferences, I would agree. If, however, there are, I see no reason why someone should arbitrarily not allow Acosta or anyone else access unless they represent a security risk. If there are rules about conduct, and I don't believe there are/were, I'd suggest that what Acosta did was no worse than Trump's comments to reporters he doesn't like.
The point is that there is a right to be there if the presser is for the WH press pool.
The point is that there is a right to be there if the presser is for the WH press pool.
11-19-2018, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by scottycards
Acosta should send Trump a Christmas card. Acosta is now the poster child for the 1A.
The guy who got the President to back down.
The guy who got the President to back down.
SO, your record is safe. Which is good that you have that going for you.
11-19-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scottycards
Acosta should send Trump a Christmas card. Acosta is now the poster child for the 1A.
The guy who got the President to back down.
The guy who got the President to back down.
11-19-2018, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Why are you disappointed?
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
11-19-2018, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Why are you disappointed?
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
11-19-2018, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Why are you disappointed?
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
Our Constitution is not something that a president who doesn't like being asked certain questions can just twist and bend like a piece of taffy.
But if you need it explained, I'm disappointed that the White House isn't standing up to this ridiculous notion that an invited guest...member of press corps or not...can disrupt business for no reason other than to puff up the ego of an individual reporter. You can't do it in a private business, or a government building, a home, a court, or a public street, so why in the White House, during a press conference?
11-19-2018, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KissArmy2001
and yet, I will somehow find a way to move past your hurtful comments and lies and have a life worth living.
Originally Posted by Chemdawg99
Calling me a leftist does not make any difference to me and it really doesn’t strengthen your argument.
The bottom line is that you (et al) have to rely on ad hominem insults and groupthink to feel better about your points of view vs actually defending it. Of course, it’s difficult to defend the indefensible.
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