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Old 02-07-2019, 10:24 AM
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inflation is for the exclusive good of the government and public sector and no one else benefits from it, quite the contrary.

there is no net macro economic gain or expantion produced from inflation of minimum wages , it simply perpetutes and exacerbates any exisiting inequality in the name of social justice


the recipient of min. w age increases actually goes backward in society not forward, because his higher earned wage buys less..he simply votes himself out of buying power with money that is worth less. It actually widens the wealth gap and raises prices .

with inflation , the wealthy get wealtier not in money but in relative (comparison) terms to the others

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Some people aren't capable of anything more than low-end work, so if you had your way they'd be making even less (with no guarantee of a MW) and still never escape it. It's not solely a matter of motivation.
Tell Sheniqua she'll never be capable of doing anything but low-end work.

No, if I had my way, the bottom would fall out of the pay scale for shitty jobs, and the people who are capable of more (and most are) would move on to something better. This would cause a shortage of unskilled labor, and employers would have to raise wages for burger-flippers in order to keep burger flippers.

You have the classic socialist mindset. "Most people need the government to take care of them."

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Tell Sheniqua she'll never be capable of doing anything but low-end work.

No, if I had my way, the bottom would fall out of the pay scale for shitty jobs, and the people who are capable of more (and most are) would move on to something better. This would cause a shortage of unskilled labor, and employers would have to raise wages for burger-flippers in order to keep burger flippers.

You have the classic socialist mindset. "Most people need the government to take care of them."
That phrase has been the ruination of every good country and society since Adam and Eve!!
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Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
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Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
Wrong. They cant even do basic work, because minimum wage is too high. You cant pay someone whos worth 5 bucks an hour, more than five bucks an hour.
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Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
There's 100's of thousands of unfilled truck driving jobs, warehouse jobs and other unskilled positions open in this country. Practically all pay starting wages of $15-$17/hr and include benefits. Burger flippers will be automated out of employment in the very foreseeable future. Unreasonable, mandated minimum wages will speed up that process.
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Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
By definition, only about 16% of the general population has an IQ below 85. 97% of the population has an IQ above 70, which is the usual cut-off to be considered mentally retarded.

Just because YOU think someone with a 75 IQ will never be worth $7.25/hr or more doesn't make it so.
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By definition, only about 16% of the general population has an IQ below 85. 97% of the population has an IQ above 70, which is the usual cut-off to be considered mentally retarded.

Just because YOU think someone with a 75 IQ will never be worth $7.25/hr or more doesn't make it so.
Someone on the low end of the IQ scale just has to be properly trained, on the job, for the job. The issue is minimum wage is so high, you cant sort through the half dozen or so people who wont even show up for work, just to find the one guy that is trainable and willing to learn the job.
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A few weeks ago, I heard a woman on some news show answer this question. It went something like this: "When I first started working in 2009, I was making $7.25 an hour. Almost ten years later, I'm still only making $7.25 an hour."

To explain that to her, and to everyone else who doesn't get it, the reason you're still working for minimum wage is because there is a minimum wage. I used to firmly believe that a reasonable minimum wage was pretty much harmless and helped a lot of people with no skills. I think the historical record of very little impact on the broader economy whenever the min. wage has been raised a little bit proves that it is pretty much harmless to the economy.

But I didn't really realize how harmful it is to the people who earn it.

Because this woman, let's call her Sheniqua, makes barely enough money to get by flipping burgers, she is content to continue flipping burgers and not develop any marketable skills. A lot of people in her situation are so content.

Now, for anybody with a kindergartner's understanding of how economics works, can you please explain to me what happens when a whole lot of people are willing and available to flip burgers? That's right, little Johnny! Their wages stagnate. If Sheniqua had some reason to say "I ain't ******' stayin' at McDowell's for no $7.25/hr," and a lot of her co-workers said the same thing, how could Cleo McDowell continue to sell Big Micks with nobody to serve them?

That's right, little Janie! Mr. McDowell will have to raise wages to keep burger-flippers!

In a nutshell, shitty jobs ought to pay shitty wages. If a shitty job pays a "living wage," then no shitty worker ever has any reason to move up in the world and get a better job. The labor market is glutted with workers who aren't worth $7.25/hr.

I think I'm now opposed to any minimum wage whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by ZumZum View Post
There's 100's of thousands of unfilled truck driving jobs, warehouse jobs and other unskilled positions open in this country. Practically all pay starting wages of $15-$17/hr and include benefits. Burger flippers will be automated out of employment in the very foreseeable future. Unreasonable, mandated minimum wages will speed up that process.

Along with welders, laborers, carpenters, mechanics, electricians and plumbers apprentices, etc.

But everyone knows individuals are incapable of making their own decisions and the gov't must coddle them, as yet another idiotic minimum wage thread indicates.
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By definition, only about 16% of the general population has an IQ below 85.
Which is 48,000,000 people.

97% of the population has an IQ above 70, which is the usual cut-off to be considered mentally retarded.
Which is 9,000,000 people

Just because YOU think someone with a 75 IQ will never be worth $7.25/hr or more doesn't make it so.
Just because you prefer to punish people into motivating them to better themselves doesn't mean I should ignore the very real limits some people have.

Enjoy your "compassionate conservatism" as you beat on retarded people.


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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
Embarassing attempt at defending your stance!!
Have meet many low IQ people that enjoy a great lifestyle, their hard work, commitment to being self-sufficent, and avoiding the negatives are the key.
IQ does influence income and success, but is not an all-encompassig penalizer to the extent that those possessing low IQ cannot provide for themselves, and have upward mobility--many make $40+/hour employed in transportation and construction and home services.
You should not be so judgmental, people can achieve much higher than their starting point, they can build ALL of their skills, the biggest deterrent is others telling them to accept their lot and their reliance is on others, not themselves.
If they can drive, handle a smart phone, join facebook, vote, etc... they can learn to be good in a profession.

How many impoverished workers finished high school and then pursued a career,,, the answer is not many, and based on that they made poor choices and were unwilling to sacrifice, their failure to be self-sufficient was their own decision, and supported by those they vote for.

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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Maybe you've heard of a thing called "IQ" or intelligence? Half of people are below 100 IQ and millions are below 85 IQ. It doesn't matter how motivated you think you can make them by starving/impoverishing them, they aren't going to be able to do a lot beyond normal basic work.
So why do you think that they should make the same amount of money and have the same luxuries as those who go far beyond "normal basic work"?

Because... it's just not fair! Boo f**king hoo.
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So why do you think that they should make the same amount of money and have the same luxuries as those who go far beyond "normal basic work"?

Because... it's just not fair! Boo f**king hoo.
I don't; that's why I support a MW that almost allows them to survive.
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I don't; that's why I support a MW that almost allows them to survive.
Stop with the "they can't survive" Bullshit.

Please point me to the people in this country who are "unable to survive" on minimum wage. What exactly does that mean to you? Please, be specific. What is required to "survive". I have been to places in this world where people have to struggle "to survive". You don't need a new iPhone to survive. You don't need 4 TVs. You don't need a new Mercedes. You don't need $200 shoes. You have absolutely zero ability to differentiate between a need and a want.
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Which is 48,000,000 people.



Which is 9,000,000 people



Just because you prefer to punish people into motivating them to better themselves doesn't mean I should ignore the very real limits some people have.

Enjoy your "compassionate conservatism" as you beat on retarded people.

That is a really sick point of view. It's the essence of Marxism, really. Shitty work is "punishment."
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Stop with the "they can't survive" Bullshit.

Please point me to the people in this country who are "unable to survive" on minimum wage. What exactly does that mean to you? Please, be specific. What is required to "survive". I have been to places in this world where people have to struggle "to survive". You don't need a new iPhone to survive. You don't need 4 TVs. You don't need a new Mercedes. You don't need $200 shoes. You have absolutely zero ability to differentiate between a need and a want.
It means they can't afford a crappy 1-bedroom apartment by themselves along with the basic necessities of food, electricity, healthcare.
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That is a really sick point of view. It's the essence of Marxism, really. Shitty work is "punishment."
It's the conservative way. That's the take conservatives always have on things like welfare and removing minimum wage; "make it hurt so they'll move off of it".
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It's the conservative way. That's the take conservatives always have on things like welfare and removing minimum wage; "make it hurt so they'll move off of it".
you're a moron as Wally isnít a conservative however youíre a confirmed communist
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I notice no one is denying that is exactly the stance of conservatives.

  • "The beatings will continue until morale improves"
  • "Teach" a guy to swim by throwing him into the deep end when he can't swim.
  • Make being low-skilled so miserable they'll improve themselves to escape.

It's the conservative way, which is why I pointed out that some people through lower IQ, emotional issues, abuse, or whatever, will never do so, so all you're really doing is selfishly keeping more for yourselves while dooming them.

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I notice no one is denying that is exactly the stance of conservatives. "The beatings will continue until morale improves"
"Teach" a guy to swim by throwing him into the deep end when he can't swim.
Make being low-skilled so miserable they'll improve themselves to escape.
It's the conservative way, which is why I pointed out that some people through lower IQ, emotional issues, abuse, or whatever, will never do so, so all you're really doing is selfishly keeping more for yourselves while dooming them.
you're an economic idiot along with being a communist and Iím no conservative that sees right though your BS
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