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Default A world in disagreement on climate change.

When you stop to consider the variation in opinion about climate change around the world, you start to realize just how wide the gap is between what is accepted, what is rejected and the basis for both positions. But to understand why such drastic difference exist, we have to step back and look at what drives those differences of opinion. One could argue rational skepticism and blind acceptance just might be the two opposing forces at work here.

Take the Paris Climate Agreement as an example, the European continent is where that nonsense originated and if you dig down in into the real meat of the agreement, you soon understand the intent presented, may not be what it appears. Where one must look, is in the financial part of this agreement to get a clearer perspective of underlying intent. As part of the climate agreement funding, the EU or I should say the countries of the EU, pledged $4.6 Billion between all of them and the US was written in for a cool $3 Billion. Obama agreed to $3 Billion for the US and was stupid enough to deposit $1 Billion up front, the second $500 million installment took place in his last three days in office. Think about that one for a minute. One of the first things Trump did when he was elected, is to take us out of that sham agreement and for good reason. When you look at this agreement from a different perspective, you soon realize the presented intent of the agreement, does not align with the claimed methodology for achieving the so-called intent.

As an example, the largest contributors of air pollution in the world are countries like China, India, Russia and even Thailand, yet none of them are to be found in this agreement. The US, which is one of the cleanest nations in the world, again was signed up for $3 Billion. Another clean but wealthy nation, Japan, was signed up for $1.5 Billion, While Germany the UK and France signed up for just $1 Billion each. Trump saw what anyone with an ounce of common sense would see and that is this whole thing stinks of wealth redistribution and trying to reduce a major income source for the US. Before people start screaming that is just a crack pot conspiracy, a few things people need to carefully consider. Simple things like the EU doesnít face the negative impact associated with restricting or banning the use of oil and coal, the US and other nations Like China, Russia, Australia and others would face. The impact to the EU for reducing or restricting those commodities would be minimal or may not be felt at all.

The EU has two major natural gas producers and that is the Netherlands and Norway who are in the top ten of global producers of natural gas in the world, but the EU has no major oil producing countries, matter of fact it only has two countries in the top 40 of oil producing nations in the world, Norway and Denmark. For coal they have two in the top ten, and that is Germany and Poland. So, in truth the climate agreement keeps their major energy source of income from natural gas in place and they do not risk a loss of a major export commodity, by pushing for banning the use of oil and coal, or what they prefer to call dirty energy. They keep what is good for them and initiate a process that takes away an export commodity and financial advantage from other nations, where those commodities are a major source of income. The EUís major exports are automobiles, aircraft, machinery, fashion, food items, electronics, pharmaceuticals and chemical mainly for industrial use. While the US has most of those same commodities to export, one of the top exports for the US coming in at number three, is oil and gas, which is up almost 50% from previous years.

Again, even though the US uses both oil and coal, we are still one of the cleanest nations in the world where air quality is concerned. The EU on the other hand has some issues with both moderate, unhealthy and very unhealthy air quality issues. If this is about air quality and reduction of MMGW, then you would think the climate change alarmist would be screaming about those nation that have hazardous air quality and those nations would be the largest contributors in trying to improve global air quality, but that is not even remotely the case here. There is but one state in the US meets that hazardous air quality measure from time to time and that one state is New York. The EU has several nations that meet that measure and France itself has unhealthy air quality on a regular basis.

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So for all those pushing for and buying into the elimination of fossils fuels and conversion to green energy nonsense, they really should stop and take a careful look at their planned strategies and understand they have been convinced to help fund a solution, to a problem that does not reside on our shores. The second part of this is ďclean energyĒ comes with some less than clean attributes that must be dealt with correctly, or we will be looking at both air and water quality issue in the future to a far greater extent than we are today. People keep forgetting the dangers of nuclear energy when a catastrophic event takes place. If we have a large spill of natural oil, we can deal with that and this earth has been dealing with that issue for millions of years. However, when we have a nuclear energy plant catastrophic failure, the impact can not be so easily contained and dealt with. The green energy drones donít seem to understand the impact on air and water quality that takes place, when one of those events happen. They donít stop to consider the long-term ramifications of a single catastrophic event like what happened in Chernobyl and in Fukushima Japan and how the impact is not just local, but is on a global scale. Nor do they consider the dangerous chemicals associated with all electric automobiles and other self contained means of transportation. Those by products must be dealt with or they too can have a negative impact on our environments.

None of the green energy love and peace hippies, stop to consider what happens if their utopia is realized and everything has been converted over to clean energy, AKA electric, but then the unthinkable happens, we lose a power grid that is down for days or even weeks because of a natural disaster. Public transportation is down, businesses and stores that donít have backup generators running on natural gas or have their own personal wind generators are down, people who have all electric homes and do not have backup generators, may not be able to heat those homes in the cold winter months or provide power for needed medical equipment for the elderly or sick. Electric disaster warning system could be shut down, critical communications could be shut down and the list goes on and on. But none of those viable concerns seem to register with the entranced green energy parishioners, as they mindlessly push for their self-serving, be part of the in-crowd agenda of eliminating the use of fossil fuels.

When you start pointing these adverse aspects of green energy out to the converts, the response is often; Well you are just being ridiculous and unreasonable, pretty obvious you are just in denial about the dangers the world is facing because of climate change. Some might even go so far as to tell you if we donít do something now, the World will come to an end in just a matter of years.
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Excellent summation, will be sharing with many...

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There is no disagreement. It is a giant wealth redistribution scheme based on manipulating stupid people through simple scare tactics. Those pushing this agenda should be jailed for the rest of their natural lives.
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There is no disagreement. It is a giant wealth redistribution scheme based on manipulating stupid people through simple scare tactics. Those pushing this agenda should be jailed for the rest of their natural lives.
It goes beyond wealth redistribution it's about controlling your life cradle to grave. That's what the dumbasscrats want.
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Unbeknownst to the slobbering worshipers of "Climate Change" (formerly known as global warming) they are simply
simpletons buying into the scam. Problem is, and has been, the "buy" is not with their ******* money. It's with ours.
And that Goddamned ******* Magic Negro Barrack Hussein Obama was able to siphon off 1.5 billion for this ****.
**** him to Hell !!!
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The MMGW fantasy is not about "saving the planet" but further restricting and controlling the jackass sheeple who are duped by the "clergy".
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The MMGW fantasy is not about "saving the planet" but further restricting and controlling the jackass sheeple who are duped by the "clergy".

Yep and millions can't see it.

When you look at how open the left has become about their socialist agenda, you have to wonder why do they feel so empowered all of a sudden? Not just here, but around the world. One or two things appear to be at play here. One is the leftist elites are so use to their mindless cult members contributing to what ever cause they deem appropriate, they don't think it will be a problem taking more from them. One way to do that is push socialism ideals as the reason more is needed from them and sell the sham in such a way as the brainless believe they get more. You sooth them by telling them a lot more will be taken from others to equal things out to and ensure equality. The brainless cult member buy the sham like they always do and the leftist elites just smile as the play money flows into their coffers. If their brainless cult members could ever be convinced of the truth, they might just burn their own house down and everything in it.

The Second scenario is the leftist have completely cracked and allowed a deranged sense of reality to settle in, believing they hold the power globally and thus in this nation. What we all see as nothing but pure insanity, they see as brilliant strategies that are undefeatable. The sheer lunacy on display should be concerning to the cognitive in this nation, who have no delusions about the leftist agenda and true intent. The conservatives need to understand the groundwork of a socialist new world order has already been established across the pond and the major missing piece of the socialist machine, is American. Crazy as it might sound, climate change is a global platform that can be used to push the leftist socialist agenda, but it requires the acceptance of all concerned parties to be effective. The leftist just assumed they could force acceptance here, like they have done on many things and it is only those skeptical enough to ask the right questions, who have pulled the camo off of their nefarious plans.

America cannot afford to fall asleep at the wheel again, too much is at stake.
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It's not socialism. Read the Green New Deal. Forced relocations and mandatory jobs are Mao style communism.
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It's not socialism. Read the Green New Deal. Forced relocations and mandatory jobs are Mao style communism.
No doubt the leftist desire complete unquestioned control and power, but instead of building their base, they are shrinking it at an alarming rate. What people need to understand is those remaining loyal to the failed leftist ideologies, are the most deranged of them all. Interesting thing about crazy people, is they pull the rest of the crazy people out of hiding.
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It's not socialism. Read the Green New Deal. Forced relocations and mandatory jobs are Mao style communism.
Can't read it. I heard on Friday that it's been taken down.... If you can find it.....provide a link.
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They don't really need an American base because between vote harvesting and illegal aliens they can keep themselves in office. Look at New Jersey, my state couldn't manage to vote a pedophile rapist out of office and installed a governor who ran on more taxes and higher unemployment. We now spend money on illegal aliens' legal bills and tax rain water.
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They don't really need an American base because between vote harvesting and illegal aliens they can keep themselves in office. Look at New Jersey, my state couldn't manage to vote a pedophile rapist out of office and installed a governor who ran on more taxes and higher unemployment. We now spend money on illegal aliens' legal bills and tax rain water.
I hear you and I can only hope that people who bought the sham, finally understand the sham after it is used to beat them about the head and shoulders. Apparently that is the only way some of these people wake up from their political coma's
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You wrote your article with an obvious biased attitude. Can you write neutral, factual articles?

Did you know that natural gas has much less carbon that oil and coal (coal is about 50% carbon, gas is 1 carbon for 4 H molecules). That is why nat gas if favoured over oil and coal.

And then you get onto pollution....and nuclear is bad?

So what do you propose. Keep the status quo of using fossil fuels until they run out or get too expensive and cost makes us change to renewables? Then improve the grid?

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Originally Posted by cdngolfer View Post
You wrote your article with an obvious biased attitude. Can you written neutral, factual articles?

Did you know that natural gas has much less carbon that oil and coal (coal is about 505 carbon, gas is 1 carbon for 4 H molecules). That is why nat gas if favoured over oil and coal.

And then you get onto pollution....and nuclear is bad?

So what do you propose. Keep the status quo of using fossil fuels until they run out or get too expensive and cost makes us change to renewables? Then improve the grid?
that's not his MO, this is a support group for OP and his fear of everything he doesn't understand.
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Originally Posted by cdngolfer View Post
You wrote your article with an obvious biased attitude. Can you written neutral, factual articles?

Did you know that natural gas has much less carbon that oil and coal (coal is about 505 carbon, gas is 1 carbon for 4 H molecules). That is why nat gas if favoured over oil and coal.

And then you get onto pollution....and nuclear is bad?

So what do you propose. Keep the status quo of using fossil fuels until they run out or get too expensive and cost makes us change to renewables? Then improve the grid?
Psst, do you know what emissions are? Do you know what is used in many places to generate electricity other than hydro? Are you arguing nuclear power plant melt downs are good for the environment?

Now who is it again that is being selective and biased here?

Have you stopped to consider the reduction in emissions from fossil fuel powered vehicles of today versus just ten years ago? Do you understand oil is a renewable fuel source? Do you understand we have not even come close to tapping all of the oil reserved on this planet and new ones are being discovered all the time? Do you understand what products and materials are produced from fossil fuels? Do you understand what happens to electric vehicles if they are involved in an accident or catch on fire? Do you understand the severity of emissions released in those events?

My proposal is to continue improving the efficiency of systems using fossil fuels and continue developing alternative solutions, but stop trying to force the use of alternatives that are not even close to being fully developed. Not sure you understand the cost involved with transitioning from current to the unrealistic and unrealized utopian solutions being peddled, or that those so called solutions have their own issues that must be dealt with. Electric vehicles as an example, include components and products that need processing correctly or indeed they are sources of environmental pollutants, to a far greater degree than drastically reduced carbon emissions.

And finally, do you understand the US is not even close to being a major contributor to carbon emissions any longer? We are not the contributor the alarmist keep trying to peddle we are.
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that's not his MO, this is a support group for OP and his fear of everything he doesn't understand.
Well here is your chance to step up and disprove my facts Sif. Or you can do your normal baseless hate mongering as you provide nothing of relevance to the conversation. That is your MO.
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Well here is your chance to step up and disprove my facts Sif. Or you can do your normal baseless hate mongering as you provide nothing of relevance to the conversation. That is your MO.
we agreed in the other thread that YOU have to prove your "facts" because the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and 63 340HP agreed.
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Can't read it. I heard on Friday that it's been taken down.... If you can find it.....provide a link.
Nothing on the Internet really ever goes away...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190207...n-new-deal-faq
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Originally Posted by Sifu-TZ View Post
we agreed in the other thread that YOU have to prove your "facts" because the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and 63 340HP agreed.
If you think he said something inaccurate, point it out.
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