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Old 02-10-2019, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PatternDayTrader View Post
Wtf … where did this come from.
from page 156 in the 1874 edition of Darwin’s The Descent of Man:

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, from general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks often occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies—between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridæ—between the elephant, and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and all other mammals. But these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked,18 will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:39 PM
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sifu-TZ View Post
do you know the difference between the term “theory” as it’s used in science v how it’s used in common vernacular?
so you evaded
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:04 PM
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Ill have to think about it. He could be saying what you said, but the critical part of the most important sentence is not making sense to me.
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Ill have to think about it. He could be saying what you said, but the critical part of the most important sentence is not making sense to me.
Definitely interpret it for yourself, but I read a hierarchy of races from the preceding pages up to page 156.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:07 PM
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Also read the section on measuring the skull for intellect.
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Basically forementioned I believe. DNA can go off some. Yes, Mother Nature uses trial and error.

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Old 02-10-2019, 11:10 PM
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Basically forementioned I believe. Yes, Mother Nature uses trial and error.
Ever read Horbiger and Hitler’s thoughts on mutations leading to a super race?
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Oh wow... excrement has evolved to type excrement...
Based on his post the just not bright one should consider himself lucky to have survived the stupid gene.
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Not 100%? either you "believe" in evolution, or you don't.

As far as human evolution having ended, I think the opposite. Quite the opposite. I believe that the human race is "de-volving". Evolution demands one thing, the continuous adaption that ensures survival of those individuals most able to survive. In modern society, almost every individual survives to reproduce and pass on genes to the next generation. There is no more "culling" of the weak or sick due to natural selection. For example, the rate of Type 1 ( not Type 2) diabetes is increasing due in part to genetic components, according to scientists. Before the use of insulin to control diabetes, those children carrying the damaged genes would not have survived to pass on that legacy.
Oh, I believe in the theory. I just don't think the theory was/is 100% correct as of right now. Maybe 90%, maybe 98%. I'm just saying it could still use some tweaking to get it right. The one thing I've learned, maybe better than anybody here, is that mother nature doesn't always like to play by the rules.
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Just a question, why are men (and women) evolving backwards?
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Originally Posted by ifitgoesfast View Post
Definitely interpret it for yourself, but I read a hierarchy of races from the preceding pages up to page 156.
Ok I get it now.
I'm going to make this real simple. An evolutionary gap exists, and at the time he wrote this book, the gap is between man and gorilla (anthropomorphous apes). The evolutionary gap will seem much wider in the future because once anthropomorphous apes (gorillas) are extinct, the gap will appear to be between future man and a lower form of ape.

Darwin also calls future man more civilized, more civilized than the present (at the time) Caucasians, who were more civilized then the Negro or Australian. Its not hard at all to see why he would think that, because it was 1859.

People all over the internet have this part of his book totally misinterpreted, and it took me bit to think through it, but I'm right. There is no claim whatsoever about where each race stands in the evolutionary tree. Not on this page or the preceding pages. And, he only implies Caucasians are most civilized of the three variations he mentioned, after all it was 1859.

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Originally Posted by ifitgo[url=https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/politics-religion-and-controversy/4240657-1-000-scientists-go-public-with-doubts-on-evolution.html
1,000 scientists go public with doubts on evolution[/url]esfast;1598854957]Many dog breeds were artificially created and not a product of natural and random evolution.
And they are still essentially dogs...they can still reproduce with wolves and coyotes as they are essentially the same kind of animal with specialized populations that we called species and/or breeds. The reality is each kind of animal has an extremely broad genetic template but it also has limits. This is why you can have miniature ponies and Clydesdales both bred over time from the original genetic stock of a mid sized horse but you'll never get an elephant. Chromosome counts of different kinds is one of the major barriers in the way of evolution theory. There is no observable reproduction of fertile animals from millions upon millions of examples where their chromosome counts change from sexual reproduction in the offspring and create a fertile offspring...only sterile hybrids of mating separate kinds with close chromosome counts. However animals with identical chromosome counts can create viable fertile offspring....for example ligers (both parents have 38 chromosomes). This is science....observable, repeatable, testable, not the garbage taught at most universities about evolution that ignores every piece of evidence that contradicts the theory. Ultimately there is ZERO evidence of macro-evolution that a frog became a rat became a guinea pig that eventually becomes a horse or any other fairy tale that evolutionists believe in.
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So that’s your interpretation of this from page 156 in The Darwin’s Descent of Man?



Is any of the below incorrect?

1. Civilized races of man will exterminate and replace the savage races of man.

2. At the same time anthropomorphous (human, form) apes will be exterminated.

3. The degree of civilization will broaden the gap between races of man moreso than between caucasian man and baboon, and even more than between negro or Australian and the gorilla.

What is the mechanism which will have the more civilized races of caucasian and his nearest races exterminate and replace the savage races of man which Darwin designates as negro and Austrailian?

from page 156 in The Darwin’s Descent of Man:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked,18 will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
IOW, PatternDayTrader, Darwin distinguishes between civilized races of man and savage races of man, claiming it is this degree of civilized culture which will in a matter of centuries benefit by natural selection civilized races over savage races, broadening which races are more evolved. He claims the civilized culture of certain races will result in more advanced evolution than savage races of negro and Australian who he argues will be left behind. He compares the gap between man and ape to the broadening gap between civilized races and savage races where the mechanism is civilized culture.

Disagree?

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A thousand scientists, wow! How any folks believe that Earth is flat or that it is 6,000 years old?

There is little doubt that Darwin was fundamentally correct. Creatures evolve and devolve as in the case of flightless birds.

Did man evolve? Certainly! Did different populations evolve differently? Do folks from Africa look different from folks from Europe or Asia?

Do you believe that dinosaurs existed? Where did they come from? What happened to them?
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Originally Posted by Zoomin View Post

1,000 scientists go public with doubts on evolution

'Careful examination of the evidence of Darwinian theory should be encouraged'

Published: 2 hours ago

WND




Charles Darwin
More than 1,000 highly influential scientists from around the world have gone on record with their doubts about Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

They hail from institutions such as Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, Tulane, Rice and Baylor, the National Academy of Sciences, the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, the British Museum and MIT’s Lincoln Library.

We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life,” they say in a statement. “Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

The scientists include the best in molecular biology, biochemistry, biology, entomology, computational quantum chemistry, microbiology, psychiatry and behavioral sciences, astrophysics, marine biology, cellular biology, physics and astronomy, math, physics, geology and anthropology, according to Evolution News, an online publication of the Discovery Institute in Seattle, which promotes the theory of intelligent design.

The Discovery Institute first published its “Scientific Dissent from Darwinism” list in The New York Review of Books in 2001 to challenge “false” claims from PBS’ series “Evolution.”

PBS had claimed “virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true.”

But biologist Douglas Axe, director of the Biologic Institute, argued peer pressure is obscuring the truth.

“Because no scientist can show how Darwin’s mechanism can produce the complexity of life, every scientist should be skeptical,” he said. “The fact that most won’t admit to this exposes the unhealthy effect of peer pressure on scientific discourse.”

Originally, Discovery Institute Chairman Bruce Chapman assembled a list of 100 doctorate-level scientists for the statement.

“Realizing that there were likely more scientists worldwide who shared some skepticism of Darwinian evolution and were willing to go on record, the Institute has maintained the list and added to it continually since its inception,” the Evolution News report said.

“The list of signatories now includes 15 scientists from the National Academies of Science in countries including Russia, Czech Republic, Brazil, and the United States, as well as from the Royal Society. Many of the signers are professors or researchers at major universities and international research institutions such as the University of Cambridge, London’s Natural History Museum, Moscow State University, Hong Kong University, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paléontologie Humaine in France, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, MIT, the Smithsonian, Yale, and Princeton,” it noted.

Marcos Eberlin, Ph.D., founder of the Thomson Mass Spectromety Laboratory and member of the National Academy of Sciences in Brazil, said in the report, “As a biochemist I became skeptical about Darwinism when I was confronted with the extreme intricacy of the genetic code and its many most intelligent strategies to code, decode, and protect its information.”

Michael Egnor, professor of neurosurgery and pediatrics at State University of New York, Stony Brook, said scientists “know intuitively that Darwinism can accomplish some things, but not others.”

“The question is what is that boundary? Does the information content in living things exceed that boundary? Darwinists have never faced those questions,” he said. “They’ve never asked scientifically, can random mutation and natural selection generate the information content in living things.”

What say ye, High Priests of the Most High Darwins?

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A thousand scientists, wow! How any folks believe that Earth is flat or that it is 6,000 years old?

There is little doubt that Darwin was fundamentally correct. Creatures evolve and devolve as in the case of flightless birds.

Did man evolve? Certainly! Did different populations evolve differently? Do folks from Africa look different from folks from Europe or Asia?

Do you believe that dinosaurs existed? Where did they come from? What happened to them?
You want the truth?


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Essentially, Darwin argues evolution is advanced moreso with higher degrees of civilization and culture, and not so much with savages, claiming natural selection has a higher degree of affect with civilized races than savage races.
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