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Failure to launch: Why so many American millennials feel adulthood is a lie

 
Old 02-25-2019, 02:32 PM
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I graduated from Chemical Engineering school in 1986, just as OPEC was breaking up, and out of work ChemEs were everywhere. I struggled.

I got married, and my new wife wanted me to go to grad school to improve my earnings potential, but we didn't have anyone to help us with the tuition. We struggled.

Just before I was done grad school, my wife turned up pregnant, and wanted to buy a house. We struggled.

Just as we were getting the house under our belts, my wife pops out our second child, and wanted to leave her full-time job to take care of the kids. We struggled.

As soon as we got to a point where we could live reasonably on one salary, we realized we needed to start saving aggressively for our kids' college that was only a decade away. We struggled.

The kids' college is now paid for, and we are in the process of setting our younger child up to start his adult life. We're still struggling.

What is remarkable about my story above is how unremarkable it is. I don't know where these millennials got the idea that us boomers "had it so easy", because nearly everyone I know about my age has a tale like the one above. In fact, a few of my friends had a divorce in there, which of course, added greatly to the struggle.

Whiny bitches need to stop crying, put on their big boy pants, and figure it out like every generation before them did.
Couldn't have said it any better myself - SPOT-ON!!! The key word(s) hear are WHINY BITCHES! It's no different now than it was 40 years ago. Thank you PK.
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:39 PM
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EVERY recession since 1990 has been slower to recover from; it had little to nothing to do with Obama.

https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...job-changes-3/



pdiddy972, keep telling yourself that, "it had little to nothing to do with Obama" (but please stop spitting out another lie to the Millennials).


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Old 02-25-2019, 02:42 PM
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I guess I am a boomer....

Started my career at IBM in 1965 for $2 an hour working on the manufacturing floor putting parts together. I was able to parlay that into an Advisory Systems Programmer job at about $30 an hour before I took the buy out in 92. Not bad for only having a high school education and 4 years of Navy electronics. Got the job on my own merits, busted my *** doing it fast and better the next guy. I was always fighting the "college boys & girls". I was able to do jobs that they turned down or tried and failed.

Whatever happened to Trade Schools. I know a few of my high school buddies that work in the trades and made good money.

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Old 02-25-2019, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Seems you think offshoring only refers to manufacturing... it's still going on today, except now it actually includes many white-collar, highly-compensated, skilled labor.
i certainly didn't intend to imply that. Perhaps I should have worded it to say that the business model of outsourcing American jobs and destroying American companies was turned into an art form by the short sighted managers of the "greatest generation". Those following are simply applying those techniques to another industry. Regardless of how it's worded, it's inescapable that the selling off of America is not solely the "fault" of the so called boomer generation. Unless you want to argue whether the mornic eco-religion and it's onerous, mostly unnecessary, and costly regulations, and greedy liberal labor unions were the driving force that ignited the flame, is it really that important to point the finger of blame as a smoke screen for the current younger generation and it's whiny failures?



























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Old 02-25-2019, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 63 340HP View Post
pdiddy972, keep telling yourself that, "it had little to nothing to do with Obama" (but please stop spitting out another lie to the Millennials).


The chart speaks for itself; every recession since 1990 has been longer, deeper and slower to recover jobs from. All thanks to offshoring... which has resulted in stagnant wages, too.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:37 PM
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There are a lot of responses in this thread that are worthy of reading and individual responses, but I'm just a lazy millennial so f**k it. I'm shortening it to just a few points.

  • Anybody who went and got some crap BA basket weaving psychology degree and thought that it would open all of the doors to an easy life of wealth and happiness is a ******* idiot.
  • Anybody who went and got a "STEM" degree, thought that they were going to graduate college, and miraculously step into a high level engineering, programming, or whatever position making loads of money right off the bat without having to gain actual experience and bust your *** along the way to EVENTUALLY get there is a ******* idiot.
  • Anybody who thinks that all "STEM" degrees from all schools are the same "other than the price" is a ******* idiot. No, your 3.9 GPA math sciences degree from Bob's Community Colage (yes, that spelling is intentional) is not the same as the guy who has an ME degree from Rose Hulman, MIT, Purdue, etc on the resume. If you think it's the same... because STEM... you're a ******* idiot.
  • If you think that all people are equal and the only thing that separates them is education, experience, or how hard they work, you're a ******* idiot. Like it or not, some people are just better at things than others. Some people are smarter. Some people are more mechanically inclined. Some people are better at communicating. Some people are better at dealing with stress and tough positions. Guess what, the people that are better are the ones that are going to succeed. If you are good at what you do, you will likely be successful. If not, you aren't entitled to ****. If you have an engineering degree and can't get a job, it's probably because you suck at being an engineer. Figure out what you ARE good at.
  • If you think that your degree from MIT means that you are a better engineer (or whatever) or know more than the guy who has been doing the job for 20 years without any degree at all, you're a ******* idiot.
  • If you think that going to college means that you will automatically be successful in life, you're a ******* idiot.
  • If on the other hand, you want to make the argument that college is a complete waste, all of these degrees are worthless pieces of paper, and that there is no benefit to it down the road, you guessed it, you're a ******* idiot. You became a successful welder, carpenter, machinist, etc. Congratulations. That doesn't mean that everybody else should do the same thing or will become successful if they try.
  • Short version, if you think that any single path is a guarantee of success later in life, you're a ******* idiot.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:42 PM
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I’m 36 so technically a “xennial”. Which describes the people I know my age pretty well. We were rarely educated on trades and any experience to learn them were scarce. “Go to college” was the mantra DRILLED into our heads. I seen a lot of my friends fall for it. I got my cdl at 20, worked 60+ hours a week and made over 55k my first year, debt free. Friends my age are just now finally paying off their student loans and still don’t make as much as I do. That blows my mind because I felt like a loser not going to college and it ended up being a great decision for me looking back.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
The chart speaks for itself; every recession since 1990 has been longer, deeper and slower to recover jobs from. All thanks to offshoring... which has resulted in stagnant wages, too.
The chart reveals that the most recent recession did not have to be so slow in recovery (another lie of socialist futility given to Millennials).

Obama didn't cause the 2007-2008 recession (policy from the Democrat Majority Congress of 2006, with a weak GW Bush & GOP, caused the recession). Obama's costly policies prolonged the recession, and as the new leader of the Democrats, the slow recovery after 2008 was his to change (but he failed).

Post up a more recent chart (2018 data, not 2010 data) and compare, to offer Millennials a contrast of what a recovery looks like.
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:02 PM
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38 here, wife is 37 we both have degrees, she has a masters, we both do pretty well and consider ourselves Xennials like Halfvette. We have a nearly 3 year old daughter so I pay a lot of attention to how I was raised/parented and how these whiny millenials were raised. My wife's younger brother 21 and just graduated last year. He's your stereotypical Millennial in that he has a ton of undergrad debt, got a degree in International Relations (worthless w/o advanced degrees), and refused to get a job because it wasn't what he "wants to do". Of course he's a liberal who supports Sanders which is odd because he idolizes JFK. My wife and I talk about this often and the conclusion is that his mom/dad got divorced and mother was overbearing. He literally can't do anything... he has no confidence to try things. He can't change a tire, change his oil, do his taxes, anything... he has no life skills and he's the product of two successful/motivated people. There's also a distinct change at schools and recess for kids. Kids aren't able to play and interact like they used to be able to and they have less alone time than any time in history so they never develop the skills to just figure stuff out. There's a concept of "exploratory play" that I pay attention to. Half the time you want to fuss at your kid it's when they're experimenting and trying new things. The trick is how do you foster that creativity without letting your kid be an unruly little ****? Do you led your kid jump on the couch, or climb over the back of the chair and bang pots and pans together because she's figuring out her surroundings? Or is she being a little brat? I don't have all the answers, but my over-arching theory to raising a little human is "do it yourself first... try... daddy will help you, but you have to try". Seems good so far... I have a 2 year old who can dress herself, put herself to bed, brush her teeth and organize/clean up her toys.
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Originally Posted by Chambered View Post
Your comment is irrelevant. Everything Rowe said is spot-on. It's not about HIM, it's what he's talking about.
He's one of the most down to earth, humble guys ever to host a series. He's done more to uplift the trades and the perception of blue color employment more than anyone I can think of including testifying in front of Congress. He's the guy you meet in a bar and instantly like, as opposed to pdiddy who I've never met but instantly dislike.
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Peter Pan never grew up either. So instead of getting hot *** Wendy, he was stuck with that fake tinkerbell loser.


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pdiddy972, keep telling yourself that, "it had little to nothing to do with Obama" (but please stop spitting out another lie to the Millennials).


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You got a big break there - a real inside one. I NEVER got an opportunity like that. I've gotten everything in life from my own innovation & persistence. Yes Obama, I DID DO THAT on my own!
Sort of, but it wasn't a bowl of cherries, not by a long shot. I started in that work/college deal when I was 19. My friends were enjoying some of the "social benefits" of college, while I was working 40-48 hours a week and attending school 3 evenings a week. Later, it was 48 hours a week with regularity, sometimes even more, with rotating shift work thrown in. There was a lot of perseverance on my part, too....
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I worked 2 jobs sometimes 3 jobs to get ahead. That is why I'm where I am now - comfortable, not rich - but ok for the retirement and future.

I learned how to do without growing up as my parents were not rich. The problem with the new generation is that they have never learned how to do without. Everything now is "I deserve this" - not let me save up and buy this.

My young neighbor complains he is always broke, new leased car, I Phone ..etc.. well if you did not pay so much a month for the latest and the greatest , you would not be broke....

Do you really need a $250 phone bill, $250 per month cable bill and a $450 car payment ? probably not...
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I worked 2 jobs sometimes 3 jobs to get ahead. That is why I'm where I am now - comfortable, not rich - but ok for the retirement and future.

I learned how to do without growing up as my parents were not rich. The problem with the new generation is that they have never learned how to do without. Everything now is "I deserve this" - not let me save up and buy this.

My young neighbor complains he is always broke, new leased car, I Phone ..etc.. well if you did not pay so much a month for the latest and the greatest , you would not be broke....

Do you really need a $250 phone bill, $250 per month cable bill and a $450 car payment ? probably not...
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I worked 2 jobs sometimes 3 jobs to get ahead. That is why I'm where I am now - comfortable, not rich - but ok for the retirement and future.

I learned how to do without growing up as my parents were not rich. The problem with the new generation is that they have never learned how to do without. Everything now is "I deserve this" - not let me save up and buy this.

My young neighbor complains he is always broke, new leased car, I Phone ..etc.. well if you did not pay so much a month for the latest and the greatest , you would not be broke....

Do you really need a $250 phone bill, $250 per month cable bill and a $450 car payment ? probably not...
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More lies to the Millennials: That it is cheaper to Lease than to buy, and Subscriptions are necessary to keep up with the best and newest technology.

Apparently there are no longer any 1c record club subscriptions, like the ones where were learned it cost us $100 in overpriced record albums to break the contract terms (same ****, different day).

They will suck it up like we did, but with higher out of pocket costs, and learn the hard way.
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I see a lot of people talking about STEM degrees, and that's the next bubble that's going to blow up hard core. I work with teenagers at my church, I have friends who have teenagers, and it's STEM STEM STEM! "We were both C students, but our son is going to be a structural engineer!!" What happens when these kids start to get to 300 level courses and they find out really abruptly that they simply can't handle the math? You're left with another group of young people who did what they were told by people they thought they could trust realizing that the path they've been lead down was bullshit. Why can't we ever learn anything, as a society?

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That's already starting to happen. It's true that a STEM is way harder than many students anticipate, especially students not already in the STEM "pipeline" in high school (honors/AP classes, math competition, etc) or who got into life science/engineering/chemistry because of a vague notion of it making them eligible for some job they can't even define, instead of real passion for engineering or whatever.

Also a lot of what I call "lower" ed colleges like public state U's are marketing the merits exclusive to real "higher" ed. When I talk to some millennials about their disappointment, I've found they're expecting is to be recruited for a nice, $100k/year job. This actually DOES really exist... If you graduate from Yale with a Chemistry degree, or Georgetown with an undergrad in business, or Harvard B. school there's a very good chance you'll get recruited by a traditional mgmt consulting firm like McKinsey or a tech consulting firm like Capgemini or whatever. If you graduate undergrad from a public U with a science degree, you might get to work in a soap factory on the lab bench (unless you're going on to med school, nursing school or whatever).

30 years ago you could maybe get recruited with a degree from public U's but not really anymore. The problem is, the "lower ed" colleges are still marketing their degrees as if they still have the value they had 30 years ago.

What I tell my daughter is, when looking at schools, just ask the undergrad seniors, just EXACTLY who shows up at on campus recruiting events at the student union in April: If it's McKinsey setting up desk, that = a good school. If Enterprise Rent-a-Car shows up, = bad school.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
The chart speaks for itself; every recession since 1990 has been longer, deeper and slower to recover jobs from. All thanks to offshoring... which has resulted in stagnant wages, too.
Oh I see, you are a Trump supporter, since it is President Trump who has been the first leader to even try to bring manufacturing jobs BACK to the USA in at least a few decades. Great to see it, welcome aboard.
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More lies to the Millennials: That it is cheaper to Lease than to buy, and Subscriptions are necessary to keep up with the best and newest technology.

Apparently there are no longer any 1c record club subscriptions, like the ones where were learned it cost us $100 in overpriced record albums to break the contract terms (same ****, different day).

They will suck it up like we did, but with higher out of pocket costs, and learn the hard way.
One would hope they will suck it up. But the current trend is contrary to that. The couple behind my house lost their house to foreclosure. . They did have a Beemer and Cady that was leased. When he was complaining about money , I told him I had a friend who was looking for weekend workers. He told me " he worked all week and deserved the weekend off" .
The couple next door has the same attitude. It's a view of entitlement, they deserve the stuff - not earned it.

I guess there are a few who are working hard but from friends that own their own business - the response is the young ones show up whenever and think nothing of coming in late constantly... not a good work ethnic. I guess that is why they support some strange views of reality.

All I can say is I hope the views change and more of the younger ones start to do the right things....
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