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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...re-budget-cuts

Trump said he wouldnít cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.


"President Donald Trumpís 2020 budget breaks one of his biggest campaign promises to voters: that he would leave Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare untouched.

ďIím not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and Iím not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,Ē Trump told the Daily Signal, a conservative publication affiliated with the Heritage Foundation, in 2015.

Over the next 10 years, Trumpís 2020 budget proposal aims to spend $1.5 trillion less on Medicaid ó instead allocating $1.2 trillion in a block-grant program to states ó $25 billion less on Social Security, and $845 billion less on Medicare (some of that is reclassified to a different department). Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security."
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From my perspective - cool, as a 37 year old, I doubt it will be around for me to use, so trim away ... but I bet some of our older members are not gonna like this.
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If SS is cut, so should the money they take from wages.

And, there better be a Grandfather Clause because paying into this **** nearly my whole life only to be cut back on makes people ******* snap.

It's easy for a Billionairre to do this when it has ZERO EFFECT on his ***.

****** should focus on welfare and illegal immigration issues first and foremost.
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Just get all the ILLEGALS of the SYSTEM AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY...PROBLEM SOLVED...

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It seems like the longer Trump is in office, the more left he leans....

He just might have my vote in 2020!!
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I want to see the actual budget, not what the FAR LEFT vox.com says it is
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Originally Posted by WICKEDFRC View Post
If SS is cut, so should the money they take from wages.

And, there better be a Grandfather Clause because paying into this **** nearly my whole life only to be cut back on makes people ******* snap.

It's easy for a Billionairre to do this when it has ZERO EFFECT on his ***.

****** should focus on welfare and illegal immigration issues first and foremost.
They should cut the benefits to match the value of the contributions.


Of course, that will be a lot worse.
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Originally Posted by KenHorse View Post
I want to see the actual budget, not what the FAR LEFT vox.com says it is
I like the OP's idea that the *******-controlled House will pass Trump's budget.
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Originally Posted by AP View Post
From my perspective - cool, as a 37 year old, I doubt it will be around for me to use, so trim away ... but I bet some of our older members are not gonna like this.
It will not have any effect on health care for seniors. His proposed 845 billion Medicare cut over 10 years is actually reduced by 269 billion that is transferred to the dept of health and human services. The rest of the reduction will be realized by lower drug costs, restructured payments to hospitals and physicians and savings related to fraud and malpractice.

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I want to see the actual budget, not what the FAR LEFT vox.com says it is
If more people read the actual proposal their blood pressure would stay normal. I agree with you, Letís wait until the pen hits the paper to see what is actually the final proposal. In addition to the restructuring of Medicare, he is also projecting a savings in Medicaid by putting in a work requirement in order to receive Medicaid and giving the states a block grant amount so they can manage their Medicaid expenditures.

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They should cut the benefits to match the value of the contributions.


Of course, that will be a lot worse.
He is not cutting social security retirement benefits at all (although in my opinion he should remove the earnings cap)
What he is doing is projecting a savings by going after the fraud in the social security disability program which is rampant within the system.
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If more people read the actual proposal their blood pressure would stay normal. I agree with you, Letís wait until the pen hits the paper to see what is actually the final proposal. In addition to the restructuring of Medicare, he is also projecting a savings in Medicaid by putting in a work requirement in order to receive Medicaid and giving the states a block grant amount so they can manage their Medicaid expenditures.

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so they have to pass it for us to see what's in it? Didn't we do this already?
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Originally Posted by Red 50th Anniversary View Post
It will not have any effect on health care for seniors. His proposed 845 billion Medicare cut over 10 years is actually reduced by 269 billion that is transferred to the dept of health and human services. The rest of the reduction will be realized by lower drug costs, restructured payments to hospitals and physicians and savings related to fraud and malpractice.



If more people read the actual proposal their blood pressure would stay normal. I agree with you, Letís wait until the pen hits the paper to see what is actually the final proposal. In addition to the restructuring of Medicare, he is also projecting a savings in Medicaid by putting in a work requirement in order to receive Medicaid and giving the states a block grant amount so they can manage their Medicaid expenditures.



He is not cutting social security retirement benefits at all (although in my opinion he should remove the earnings cap)
What he is doing is projecting a savings by going after the fraud in the social security disability program which is rampant within the system.
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From my perspective - cool, as a 37 year old, I doubt it will be around for me to use, so trim away ... but I bet some of our older members are not gonna like this.
Agreed.

I'm in my 30s. I've been paying into it for 20 years. It needs to be reformed.

To be fair, the older you are, the less you should have it cut.

For example...
Current 60 year olds: 10-20% cut
50 year olds: 20-30% cut
40 year olds: 30-40% cut
30 year olds: 40-50% cut

That way, it's there for all. At the same time, the more you paid in, the less of a cut you face.
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Good! Half of prc posters here won't have money to pay for dialup.
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Originally Posted by Slo Yelo C5 View Post
Agreed.

I'm in my 30s. I've been paying into it for 20 years. It needs to be reformed.

To be fair, the older you are, the less you should have it cut.

For example...
Current 60 year olds: 10-20% cut
50 year olds: 20-30% cut
40 year olds: 30-40% cut
30 year olds: 40-50% cut

That way, it's there for all. At the same time, the more you paid in, the less of a cut you face.
We don't need to cut benefits at all. All we have to do is phase in a further delay in the retirement age to reflect that fact that Americans are living longer. We did it under Reagan, we should do it again.

If we delay the reduced benefit age from 62 to 65, delay full retirement age from 67 to 70, and get rid of the "expanded benefit" that I never really agreed with in the first place, the deficits in the system disappear.

But if you MUST cut benefits, the system's maximum underfunding is projected to be about 26%, there is no need for 50% cuts at all.
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Originally Posted by WICKEDFRC View Post
If SS is cut, so should the money they take from wages.

And, there better be a Grandfather Clause because paying into this **** nearly my whole life only to be cut back on makes people ******* snap.

It's easy for a Billionairre to do this when it has ZERO EFFECT on his ***.

****** should focus on welfare and illegal immigration issues first and foremost.
You were not paying "into" the system. You were barely making payments to support the existing SS-recipients. You should not expect the current generation to do it for you.
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You were not paying "into" the system. You were barely making payments to support the existing SS-recipients. You should not expect the current generation to do it for you.
Wrong again. Up until a few years ago, what we were paying in was funding the payments out with a HUGE overage that the government took and put in the general fund.
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Once again, consider the source...the OP is a hater so he will post anything from anywhere that beats on trump...it matters not if it is true...post # 10 debunks the OP's nonsense...I won't get into the old vs. young argument...Bush tried to revamp SS but the left killed it with their "throw granny off the cliff" BS...the very liberal AARP led that charge and followed that up with going all in on obama...
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I thought all three of these, MC, MCD, and SS, were entitlement spending. If you meet qualifications, then you get the $ benefit. A "budget" for entitlements is what one might forecast to be paid out. "Cutting" a budget may have no direct effect on one's entitlement. One (or an affected agency) would have to also change the qualifications to decrease the level of entitlement. That may or may not happen.

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Originally Posted by Trapper Sean View Post
I thought all three of these, MC, MCD, and SS, were entitlement spending. If you meet qualifications, then you get the $ benefit. A "budget" for entitlements is what one might forecast to be paid out. "Cutting" a budget may have no direct effect on one's entitlement. One (or an affected agency) would have to also change the qualifications to decrease the level of entitlement. That may or may not happen.

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No, Social Security is not an entitlement program. If you don't pay in for a minimum of 40 quarters during your working career, you are not eligible for a benefit.
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