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Old 03-16-2019, 12:10 PM
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Socialism isn't communism. It is roads, national parks, bridges, wastewater systems, schools, Medicare, Social Security, ACA, Medicaid, Snap, Healthcare for children, Food for children, our National Health Institute, FAA, FDA.....and much, much more.


When you speak about failed ideology I think many don't understand the difference between the two. Communism failed. Socialism is alive and well and made our country stronger, better, and healthier. Socialism is alive and well in the European countries and Canada and other places.


However, in the U.S. the "social safety net" is being eroded to the point where we are in the midst of a huge, unsustainable income disparity. Our incomes aren't keeping up with inflation and the rich and corporations are getting richer at the expense of rest of us. Our roads are beginning to crumble. Our bridges are falling apart.


Charter schools are sucking up the money that once kept public schools viable. Our drinking water is full of heavy metals. Our beautiful national parks are under attack by those who want to exploit the oil and minerals they contain. Our rivers are starting to go back to the poisonous, burning waterways we had in the 1950's and '60's.


We have one of the expensive healthcare systems in the world and it isn't even in the top five for good health outcomes. In short, we need more socialism not less. “Socialism” isn’t our biggest threat. Ignorance is.

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Socialism is a failed ideology that leads to Communism
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I want neither and trying to use one to justify the others, is a circle jerk exercise.
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Socialism is a failed ideology that leads to Communism
Hey I get it. The poor in America are increasingly characterized as "just lazy." Ain't nobody wants to support the lazy.

Instead we admire and elect Donald J. Trump, a failed businessman who stiffed 3500+ contractors, and declared bankruptcy 6 times, sticking TAXPAYERS with the bill. How many of those contractors went broke or couldn't feed their families as a result?

A large % of Wal-Mart employees are on government benefits DESPITE working. Meanwhile the heirs get richer and richer.

>The Walton family fortune breaks down as follows: Jim Walton $48.4 billion. S. Robson Walton $48.2 billion. Alice Walton $48.1 billion. Lukas Walton $15.6 billion. Ann Walton Kroenke $6.6 billion. Christy Walton $6.7 billion. Nancy Walton Laurie $5.7 billion.

I believe the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is that libs believe 70% of those on government assistance, disability, etc need and deserve it, and 30% are just lazy, stupid slackers. For Conservatives those #'s are reversed.

Having volunteered (and helped construct) a soup kitchen, I know what the poor and hungry actually look like. The majority are mentally ill in some fashion. Some % are addicted to alcohol/drugs.

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Socialism is far left ideology divided into two distinct factions...

communism and fascism....

Democrats seems to be equally distributed among both factions.,,with AOC being a fascist and Feel the Bern being communist..,

for those of you LWNJs that umbibe in it, pick your poison carefully...

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Socialism isn't communism. It is roads, national parks, bridges, wastewater systems, schools, Medicare, Social Security, ACA, Medicaid, Snap, Healthcare for children, Food for children, our National Health Institute, FAA, FDA.....and much, much more.


When you speak about failed ideology I think many don't understand the difference between the two. Communism failed. Socialism is alive and well and made our country stronger, better, and healthier. Socialism is alive and well in the European countries and Canada and other places.


However, in the U.S. the "social safety net" is being eroded to the point where we are in the midst of a huge, unsustainable income disparity. Our incomes aren't keeping up with inflation and the rich and corporations are getting richer at the expense of rest of us. Our roads are beginning to crumble. Our bridges are falling apart.


Charter schools are sucking up the money that once kept public schools viable. Our drinking water is full of heavy metals. Our beautiful national parks are under attack by those who want to exploit the oil and minerals they contain. Our rivers are starting to go back to the poisonous, burning waterways we had in the 1950's and '60's.


We have one of the expensive healthcare systems in the world and it isn't even in the top five for good health outcomes. In short, we need more socialism not less. “Socialism” isn’t our biggest threat. Ignorance is.
The ignorance and lack of education from you leftists is endless.

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I'm not educated enough to know what the problem is. But it is interesting to me that this thread exists, and it brings up some interesting points.

I don't want to bore the world with my opinions or ideologies, but I think after a point wealth is just "more of too much"

But hey, more power to them! I'm just jealous I wasn't born with a platinum spoon in my mouth

at the end of the day, I'm still a proud American, I buy American where I can and I voted for Trump.

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Their ignorance is profound and disturbing....
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Yeah those lucky bastards living under socialism in Venezuela!
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Instead we admire and elect Donald J. Trump, a failed businessman who stiffed 3500+ contractors, and declared bankruptcy 6 times, sticking TAXPAYERS with the bill. How many of those contractors went broke or couldn't feed their families as a result?
Because he isn't a failed business, he's worth billions has properties all over the globe and employs thousands and pays millions in taxes.

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A large % of Wal-Mart employees are on government benefits DESPITE working. Meanwhile the heirs get richer and richer.
Why is that? Because the government is subsidizing those workers and distorting the balance of supply/demand economics. If the government stopped subsidizing the Walmart workers of the world the workers wouldn't take the jobs at the lower wages because they couldn't, Walmart would have to increase wages to get employees. The Walton's are getting richer because they offer a service and products the public wants and are willing to pay for on their own free will.

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Having volunteered (and helped construct) a soup kitchen, I know what the poor and hungry actually look like. The majority are mentally ill in some fashion. Some % are addicted to alcohol/drugs.
Who made the choice to go on drugs and alcohol? The mentally ill problem needs to be addressed.
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When .gov presses the idea of "income equality" that indeed is "communism".

For the mentally ill/deficient help can be provided.
For those on drugs, lazy, reckless, etc. no assistance should be provided.
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Interesting edit. Lost all the Bolshevik Vs. Czar-esque class warfare stuff from your original.

The point regarding mental illness, you were onto something there, might want to explore your options!
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Originally Posted by wadenelson View Post
Socialism isn't communism. It is roads, national parks, bridges, wastewater systems, schools, Medicare, Social Security, ACA, Medicaid, Snap, Healthcare for children, Food for children, our National Health Institute, FAA, FDA.....and much, much more.


When you speak about failed ideology I think many don't understand the difference between the two. Communism failed. Socialism is alive and well and made our country stronger, better, and healthier. Socialism is alive and well in the European countries and Canada and other places.


However, in the U.S. the "social safety net" is being eroded to the point where we are in the midst of a huge, unsustainable income disparity. Our incomes aren't keeping up with inflation and the rich and corporations are getting richer at the expense of rest of us. Our roads are beginning to crumble. Our bridges are falling apart.


Charter schools are sucking up the money that once kept public schools viable. Our drinking water is full of heavy metals. Our beautiful national parks are under attack by those who want to exploit the oil and minerals they contain. Our rivers are starting to go back to the poisonous, burning waterways we had in the 1950's and '60's.


We have one of the expensive healthcare systems in the world and it isn't even in the top five for good health outcomes. In short, we need more socialism not less. “Socialism” isn’t our biggest threat. Ignorance is.

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When does it stop?

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>The Walton family fortune breaks down as follows: Jim Walton $48.4 billion. S. Robson Walton $48.2 billion. Alice Walton $48.1 billion. Lukas Walton $15.6 billion. Ann Walton Kroenke $6.6 billion. Christy Walton $6.7 billion. Nancy Walton Laurie $5.7 billion.


So?

I believe the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives is that libs believe 70% of those on government assistance, disability, etc need and deserve it, and 30% are just lazy, stupid slackers. For Conservatives those #'s are reversed.
Then you've got one seriously fucked up belief there.

I believe that most conservatives are for finding the 30% of stupid lazy slackers and booting them off the government dole.
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Socialism is none of those things. This has got to be one of the most ignorant and idiotic posts on the subject. This smacks of the same kind of belief in fairy tales that has some people fully believing that Bambi can talk and that polar bears are cute and cuddly.

Socialism is a transitionary stage between the overthrow of capitalism and the establishment of communism. That's how Karl Marx defined it.

There is absolutely nothing "socialist" about parks and water treatment facilities, libraries, hospitals or government regulatory agencies. These are not socialist concepts. Public facilities are not examples of socialism. Nor are municipal corporations, such as water and electric utilities.

Even the robber baron era of capitalists brought forth great philanthropic acts. Ever hear of Carnegie Hall or Vanderbilt University? Capitalism does not exclude a society with great public parks, clean water and air.

Socialism is nationalized industry, such as Malaysia Airlines and Aeroflot, or the USPS and Amtrak. Socialism means the *government* owns and operates the industry. The list of indebted, money losing, poor performing state-owned companies is endless. GM was essentially nationalized as well. It should have been allowed to go under and the creditors take control to rebuild it into a more efficient and market-oriented industry. In socialism, zombie companies operate indefinitely because of political pressure. The government cannot shut them down because it would be too politically unpopular to do so. Thus, the governments go further and further into debt to fund companies that lose money, produce nothing that anyone wants or needs, and their over economies stagnate. The best is if someone has an idea on how to do it better, they *can't* because it would threaten the socialist order. Socialism always turns into Venezuela or the smoking crater of an economy that was the UK of the 1970's.

The weirdest thing is that the supposed goal of socialism, the ownership of industry by the people, is more perfectly accomplished in capitalism. Apple, one of the largest corporations on the planet, is owned by shares of common stock - which absolutely *anyone* can own. A vast number of people own shares in Apple, either directly or indirectly through their retirement accounts or pension plans. Same with Exxon, Amazon, Intel, ADM, Monsanto, GE, and even your local municipal power company.

I you want to compare environmental conditions, I can point to any number of unimaginable environmental disasters created by socialists, all over the world. Under capitalism, the people or corporations responsible for such acts can be held responsible. Under socialism, all such acts fall under the tragedy of the commons.

The ultimate destination of socialism is not a utopian society, it always leads to suffering and tyranny and failure. Socialism provides no incentive to achieve more or better, thus it always stagnates and stumbles and ultimately, fails.
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Why does a guy pushing socialism have a problem with someone declaring bankruptcy?

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So if socialism is so great, why have millions upon millions flocked to the U.S and the evil capitalist empire it supposedly is?

The U.S. has never been perfect and never will be, but far more people around the world wish to come here than there are people willing to leave.
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And heroin use doesn't always lead to addiction, but the end result is predictable with 99% accuracy.
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Socialism is communism light. You can try to spin it any way you want, but it is government control over the means of production. When government controls, personal freedom is diminished. Socialist fail to understand doers take initiative and get things done. Take away the incentive to take initiative then things dont get done. The only way socialist countries survive is having capitalistic underpinnings. See the Nordic countries. See China.

Capitalism has made America the largest economy in the world since the industrial revolution. No socialist society can claim that. In fact, at the turn of the 20th century Argentina was the 4th largest economy in the world. After socialism, it has fallen to 21st rank after Switzerland. See StatisticTimes.com.

Only retards ignore history.
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