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Trump vowed to eliminate debt in 8 years; instead on track to increase it 50%

 
Old 03-18-2019, 11:19 PM
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In the past for sure, and still now I think, the US economy is the most powerful economic engine in the history of human civilization. The US economy has been fettered by big government regulations and unfair trade treaties. Before Trump was elected, the US economic engine was anesthetized by incompetent administrations. Trump has awakened the US economy, which includes re-awaking the industrial base but also tuning the US into a major producer of energy...petroleum, natural gas.

The US economy needs to be powered up to historical levels.......then we can address the national debt. Simplistically speaking, to pay off the debt we have to be making money.
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PS.. Accepting 100's of thousands, millions of non-functional 3rd world refugees into the US, to weigh down our welfare system, is contra to an ability to pay to paying off our national debt.

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Let me guess..deport 'ALL ILLEGALS'...
That too.
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Let me guess..deport 'ALL ILLEGALS'...
Sell California to China would be a good start......
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It’s nice to see the LWNJs admit Trump is their POTUS and that he will serve two terms...
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This is Obamaís debt as we are still working under an Obama continuing resolution.

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Blah...blah...blah...blah....same old, same old...the OP should just make a master post saying that anything trump does is wrong and he disagrees with everything trump...this way he won't have to waste his precious time searching for all the articles that bash trump using allegation and speculation...then he could re-post it about once a week reminding us what his position is...this nonsense gets old...
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dice View Post
Blah...blah...blah...blah....same old, same old...the OP should just make a master post saying that anything trump does is wrong and he disagrees with everything trump...this way he won't have to waste his precious time searching for all the articles that bash trump using allegation and speculation...then he could re-post it about once a week reminding us what his position is...this nonsense gets old...
Pretty much....

You can come up with dirt about promises by any past president without even breathing hard...
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Originally Posted by 68/70Vette View Post
In the past for sure, and still now I think, the US economy is the most powerful economic engine in the history of human civilization. The US economy has been fettered by big government regulations and unfair trade treaties. Before Trump was elected, the US economic engine was anesthetized by incompetent administrations. Trump has awakened the US economy, which includes re-awaking the industrial base but also tuning the US into a major producer of energy...petroleum, natural gas.

The US economy needs to be powered up to historical levels.......then we can address the national debt. Simplistically speaking, to pay off the debt we have to be making money.
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PS.. Accepting 100's of thousands, millions of non-functional 3rd world refugees into the US, to weigh down our welfare system, is contra to an ability to pay to paying off our national debt.
Good points. We've seen the difference just a simple 2-for-1 on regulations requirement has made.

And the left will gladly make that exception of the bolded, which is what makes their whole hand wringing over the debt so laughable.
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I voted for Trump, I donated to his campaign, I thank God he was elected over Hilary. He has done a few good things like getting us out of TTP and the Climate Accord which would have annihilated our economy. That being said in the grand scale of things he has changed virtually nothing to prevent the continued decline of the USA. We are running record trade deficits, we had a deficit of $1.2 TRILLION in an economic expansion, we have done nothing to secure the border, he has expanded the government and increased wasteful defense spending. Trump and the Republicans have done nothing to change the laws and allow more free market forces into our medical system. Not a single deep state criminal is in jail....NOT ONE. The amount of the GDP government consumes has not changed under his brief time as president. Unfunded future liabilities in the hundreds of trillions continue to be a ticking time bomb. In essence Trump has given us a false confidence with his bravado but in the end he has fixed NONE of the long term challenges facing the US economy. I will vote for him again in 2020 but I know he is just another conman politician.

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Old 03-19-2019, 09:10 AM
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I'll get to this as soon as I figure out how I can keep my doctor in all 57 states.
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Originally Posted by 66jack View Post
CBO Budget Projections are no better than throwing DARTS AT THE CHART..
And I guess we should ignore what he's done in 2 of his 4 year term? This is all just the warmup huh?
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Originally Posted by tnvette2 View Post
Sell California to China would be a good start......
China couldn't afford it. Their GDP is like 1/6th of the USA's, and California is like the 5th largest economy in the world by itself.
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Itís nice to see the LWNJs admit Trump is their POTUS and that he will serve two terms...
Almost as nice as watching Trump apologists ignore the results Trump has had in 2 of a 4-year term, then operate on the assumption that he'll be elected again, and will miraculously reverse the direction of the economy after this initial damage.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Yeah, that wacky liberal-biased CBO... who can believe them??
^thank you for plainly stating your utter stupidity for all to see.
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Originally Posted by KenHorse View Post
CBO is WRONG all the time. Always HAS been

Seriously dude, you're embarrassing yourself...
Nothing new to him, as he gets his *** handed to himself quite often on here.
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Yeah, I should definitely go with the RSP conservative hand-waving guesses instead of the CBO, whose job is analyzing this data.
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This is what needed (it's old but still applies and probably even more today):

50 Examples of Government Waste

Brian Riedl October 6, 2009Soaring government spending and trillion-dollar budget deficits have brought fiscal responsibility -- and reducing government waste -- back onto the national agenda. President Obama recently identified 0.004 of 1 percent of the federal budget as wasteful and proposed eliminating this $140 million from his $3.6 trillion fiscal year 2010 budget request. Aiming higher, the President recently proposed partially offsetting a costly new government health entitlement by reducing $622 billion in Medicare and Medicaid "waste and inefficiencies" over the next decade. Taxpayers may wonder why reducing such waste is now merely a bargaining chip for new spending rather than an end in itself.

It is possible to reduce spending and balance the budget. In the 1980s and 1990s, Washington consistently spent $21,000 per household (adjusted for inflation). Simply returning to that level would balance the budget by 2012 without any tax hikes. Alternatively, merely returning to the 2008 (pre-recession) spending level of $25,000 per household (adjusted for inflation) would likely balance the budget by 2019 without any tax hikes.

Not Easy, but Necessary

Reducing wasteful spending is not easy. Even the most useless programs are passionately supported by the armies of recipients, administrators, and lobbyists that benefit from their existence. Identifying inefficiencies and abuses is much easier than devising a system to fix them. Many lawmakers focus more on bringing home earmarks than on performing the less exciting task of government oversight. Exasperated taxpayers see the cost of government rise with no end in sight.

Of course, eliminating waste cannot balance the budget. Lawmakers must also rein in spending by reforming Social Security and Medicare and by eliminating government activities that are no longer affordable. Yet government waste is the low-hanging fruit that lawmakers must clean up in order to build credibility with the public for larger reforms.

Congress has allowed government employees to spend tax dollars on iPods, jewelry, gambling, exotic dance clubs, and $13,500 steak dinners. If lawmakers cannot even reduce this kind of waste, fraud, and abuse, taxpayers will be less likely to trust them to reform Social Security and Medicare.

Six Categories of Waste

The six categories of wasteful and unnecessary spending are:
  1. Programs that should be devolved to state and local governments;
  2. Programs that could be better performed by the private sector;
  3. Mistargeted programs whose recipients should not be entitled to government benefits;
  4. Outdated and unnecessary programs;
  5. Duplicative programs; and
  6. Inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud.
The first four categories are generally subjective, and reasonable people can disagree on whether a given federal program falls under their purview. Yet the final two categories -- duplication and inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud -- are comparatively easy to identify and oppose. Thus, they are heavily represented in the examples of government waste below:
  1. The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.
  2. Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.
  3. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.
  4. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.
  5. The Congressional Budget Office published a "Budget Options" series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.
  6. Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.
  7. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.
  8. A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, including "over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold." The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.
  9. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
  10. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.
  11. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.
  12. Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.
  13. Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.
  14. A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.
  15. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.
  16. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.
  17. Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.
  18. Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year's 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.
  19. The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.
  20. The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.
  21. Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines -- plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.
  22. More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.
  23. Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, "Girls Gone Wild" videos, and at least one sex change operation.
  24. Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.
  25. Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.
  26. The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) -- but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department's budget.
  27. Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches -- even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.
  28. A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.
  29. The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.
  30. Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks
  31. Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
  32. Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.
  33. Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.
  34. Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.
  35. The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.
  36. Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards -- subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want.
  37. Congress appropriated $20 million for "commemoration of success" celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  38. Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.
  39. Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.
  40. North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in "stimulus" funds for a project that its mayor described as "a long way from the top priority."
  41. The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.
  42. Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.
  43. Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers -- the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.
  44. Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.
  45. Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.
  46. Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.
  47. The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.
  48. Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.
  49. The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.
  50. The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.
Pick the Low-Hanging Fruit

Because many of these examples of waste overlap, it is not possible to determine their exact total cost. Yet it is evident that Washington loses hundreds of billions of dollars annually on spending that most Americans would certainly consider wasteful. Lawmakers seeking to rein in spending and budget deficits should begin by eliminating this least justifiable spending while also addressing long-term entitlement costs.

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But let's never talk about spending cuts to help us out of the hole of a deficit.
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And I guess we should ignore what he's done in 2 of his 4 year term? This is all just the warmup huh?
Pssst, diddy, get rid of illegals this nation is wasting billions on annually and guess what happens? OMG...the debt can be paid down. Can you ******* believe how simple that is?

Now who is it again that wants all them illegals in this nation?
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Yeah, that wacky liberal-biased CBO... who can believe them??
I'm down with cutting $1T with a big T from the annual budget to just stop the bleeding and another $500B with a B to start paying down the loan. So where to cut, Dems will go full ugly if you touch their Obama phone money and the Pubs will go full ugly if you touch their F-35 money. Only fair way to do this is a complete top to bottom equal haircut by Department and let the heads of said Department figure out where those cuts will be applied.

First you need a budget and the last time we did that was 1997.
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Pssst, diddy, get rid of illegals this nation is wasting billions on annually and guess what happens? OMG...the debt can be paid down. Can you ******* believe how simple that is?

Now who is it again that wants all them illegals in this nation?
Couldnt tell you. I don't.
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