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Old 04-10-2019, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
So Trump declined to reveal his taxes as was the tradition and now wants to take it to the Supreme Court simply over principle and not because he's a criminal? What principle would that be?
The same as Hussein hiding his transcripts
Were you outraged about that diddle
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Doesn't sound like "winning" to me; sounds like Trump has things he's desperate to keep hidden.
Please explain why you say that.

Then explain why they are asking
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But Democrats also say they have a sound policy reason to get the returns, arguing they need to be able to vet the IRSís audits of the president. The agency has a policy dating to the 1970s of auditing every president, though Democrats say they know little about how those examinations work, including how rigorous they are or if they even really happen.
So a change in IRS policy would fix that.
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But Democrats also say they have a sound policy reason to get the returns, arguing they need to be able to vet the IRS’s audits of the president. The agency has a policy dating to the 1970s of auditing every president, though Democrats say they know little about how those examinations work, including how rigorous they are or if they even really happen.
Yea, I distinctly remember the Dems demanding Obama's tax returns for those very reasons

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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
So Trump declined to reveal his taxes as was the tradition and now wants to take it to the Supreme Court simply over principle and not because he's a criminal? What principle would that be?
That principal is privacy. The constitution provides it for all Americans. The fact that you donít know or understand this is telling.
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That principal is privacy. The constitution provides it for all Americans. The fact that you donít know or understand this is telling.
Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.
The investigation is OVER snowflake .Anything henceforth is just a witch hunt.
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:19 PM
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The absurdity here is that the IRS has never gone after Trump regarding any tax crime, but we're supposed to believe that the morons in the House will find things the IRS missed.

They're just looking to find some business deal he has done in the past that they can make up a narrative around, and everybody knows it. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either lying, or is terminally stupid.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.
you are clueless. The 4th amendment.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.

What is this open investigation, and who is doing it?
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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
The absurdity here is that the IRS has never gone after Trump regarding any tax crime, but we're supposed to believe that the morons in the House will find things the IRS missed.

They're just looking to find some business deal he has done in the past that they can make up a narrative around, and everybody knows it.
Anyone who suggests otherwise is either lying, or is terminally stupid.
ditty?
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Doesn't sound like "winning" to me; sounds like Trump has things he's desperate to keep hidden.
Good luck with your auditory hallucinations.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.
If we agree that there is no right to privacy then we can toss out Roe v. Wade and the entirety of the 4th Amendment. Think about that one.

According to the house, the IRS is being "investigated" not Trump. Trump is not under investigation, that anyone is aware of, that would require the disclosure of tax returns that are covered under a privacy law. One might argue that the law allowing congress to access individual returns is unconstitutional and in conflict with existing law. Thus, a matter for the courts since that is how we handle legal disputes.

Congress didn't issue any warrant.

Try again?

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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
So Trump declined to reveal his taxes as was the tradition and now wants to take it to the Supreme Court simply over principle and not because he's a criminal? What principle would that be?
The principle of not giving you lunatic haters and Democrats the chance to nitpick the living **** out of every line item on his tax returns.
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Has Al Sharpton coughed up what he owes the IRS yet?
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The powers of Congress are enumerated in Article I. There are multiple SCOTUS cases that limit Congress' ability to pursue individuals with malicious investigation.

This particular ruling, which cites many other SCOTUS and Federal Court rulings, curtails Congress power's to investigate only to that which it has a legitimate, legislative purpose.

The ruling cited specifically upholds every element of the Bill of Rights in such investigation, and it specifically prohibits congressional investigation only to expose the private affairs of an individual.

It would be quite applicable, as the only purpose the Democrats have is political smearing.

The statute also clearly states, "closed executive session". These sessions are held to deal with business put forth by the executive (i.e., Trump) and closed means *secret*. No phones, no cameras, no leaking.

Watkins vs. United States, 1957.

Held:
(a) The power of Congress to conduct investigations, inherent in the legislative process, is broad, but it is not unlimited. P. 187.

(b) Congress has no general authority to expose the private affairs of individuals without justification in terms of the functions of Congress. P. 187.

(c) No inquiry is an end in itself; it must be related to, and in furtherance of, a legitimate task of Congress. P. 187.

(d) The Bill of Rights is applicable to congressional investigations, as it is to all forms of governmental action. P. 188.

(e) A congressional investigation is subject to the command that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech or press or assembly. Pp. 196-197. [p179]

(f) When First Amendment rights are threatened, the delegation of power to a congressional committee must be clearly revealed in its charter. United States v. Rumely, 345 U.S. 41. P. 198.

(g) A congressional investigation into individual affairs is invalid if unrelated to any legislative purpose, because it is beyond the powers conferred upon Congress by the Constitution. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168. P. 198.

(h) It cannot simply be assumed that every congressional investigation is justified by a public need that overbalances any private rights affected, since to do so would be to abdicate the responsibility placed by the Constitution upon the judiciary to insure that Congress does not unjustifiably encroach upon an individual's right of privacy nor abridge his liberty of speech, press, religion or assembly. Pp. 198-199.

(i) There is no congressional power to expose for the sake of exposure where the predominant result can be only an invasion of the private rights of individuals. P. 200.

(j) In authorizing an investigation by a committee, it is essential that the Senate or House should spell out the committee's jurisdiction and purpose with sufficient particularity to insure that compulsory process is used only in furtherance of a legislative purpose. P. 201.

(k) The resolution authorizing the Un-American Activities Committee does not satisfy this requirement, especially when read in the light of the practices of the Committee and subsequent actions of the House of Representatives extending the life of the Committee. Pp. 201-205.

(l) Every reasonable indulgence of legality must be accorded to the actions of a coordinate branch of our Government, but such deference cannot yield to an unnecessary and unreasonable dissipation of precious constitutional freedoms. P. 204.

(m) Protected freedoms should not be placed in danger in the absence of a clear determination by the House or Senate that a particular inquiry is justified by specific legislative need. P. 205.

(n) Congressional investigating committees are restricted to the missions delegated to them -- to acquire certain data to be used by the House or Senate in coping with a problem that falls within its legislative sphere -- and no witness can be compelled to make disclosures on matters outside that area. P. 206. [p180]

(o) When the definition of jurisdictional pertinency is as uncertain and wavering as in the case of the Un-American Activities Committee, it becomes extremely difficult for the Committee to limit its inquiries to statutory pertinency. P. 206.

(p) The courts must accord to a defendant indicted under 2 U.S.C. ß 192 every right which is guaranteed to defendants in all other criminal cases, including the right to have available information revealing the standard of criminality before the commission of the alleged offense. Pp. 207-208.

(q) Since the statute defines the crime as refusal to answer "any question pertinent to the question under inquiry," part of the standard of criminality is the pertinency of the questions propounded to the witness. P. 208.

(r) Due process requires that a witness before a congressional investigating committee should not be compelled to decide, at peril of criminal prosecution, whether to answer questions propounded to him without first knowing the "question under inquiry" with the same degree of explicitness and clarity that the Due Process Clause requires in the expression of any element of a criminal offense. Sinclair v. United States, 279 U.S. 263. Pp. 208-209.

(s) The authorizing resolution, the remarks of the chairman or members of the committee, or even the nature of the proceedings themselves, might make the "question under inquiry" sufficiently clear to avoid the "vice of vagueness"; but these sources often leave the matter in grave doubt. P. 209.

(t) In this case, it is not necessary to pass on the question whether the authorizing resolution defines the "question under inquiry" with sufficient clarity, since the Government does not contend that it could serve that purpose. P. 209.

(u) The opening statement of the Chairman at the outset of the hearings here involved is insufficient to serve that purpose, since it merely paraphrased the authorizing resolution, and gave a very general sketch of the past efforts of the Committee. Pp. 209-210.

(v) Nor was that purpose served by the action of the full Committee in authorizing the creation of the Subcommittee before which petitioner appeared, since it merely authorized the Chairman to appoint subcommittees "for the purpose of performing any and all acts which the Committee as a whole is authorized to do." Pp. 211-212.

(w) On the record in this case, especially in view of the precise questions petitioner was charged with refusing to answer, it cannot [p181] be said that the "question under inquiry" was Communist infiltration into labor unions. Pp. 212-214.

(x) Unless the subject matter of the inquiry has been made to appear with undisputable clarity, it is the duty of the investigative body, upon objection of the witness on grounds of pertinency, to state for the record the subject under inquiry at that time and the manner in which the propounded questions are pertinent thereto. Pp. 214-215.

(y) The Chairman's response, when petitioner objected to the questions on grounds of pertinency, was inadequate to convey sufficient information as to the pertinency of the questions to the "question under inquiry." Pp. 214-215.
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Yea, I distinctly remember the Dems demanding Obama's tax returns for those very reasons

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if they can demand Trumps returns can we FOIA Piglosi and Chucky and Crazy eyes ocasio's?
I want to see ALL of Bill and Hilda's returns since 1992. Those should help demonstrate how they became so rich, right?

How do you report earnings from illegal uranium sales to the RUSSIANS anyway??
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Nope. no right to privacy in the Constitution and he's being investigated so any right to privacy is irrelevant in that case as the information would be gotten under warrant.
Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
So Trump declined to reveal his taxes as was the tradition and now wants to take it to the Supreme Court simply over principle and not because he's a criminal? What principle would that be?
Would you support Trump issuing an Executive Order to release the tax returns of the leaders of the Democratic party and then force obama's school records?

He can force the IMMEDIATE release of those records while it will take years for the left to go thru the courts to get his, and they will lose.
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