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Old 05-10-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking0728 View Post
Costs like school shootings, mass shootings, and just gun violence in general.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...t-of-the-world

I'm not against guns, I have one and a CCW, but it's naive to think that our gun freedoms come without consequence.
as do our automobile freedoms, and our prescription drug freedoms, and any other freedom...

Durrrr.
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We need red flag laws to remove dangerous democrats from society. This is clearly a public safety issue that would result in less death and destruction in America.
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We need red flag laws to remove dangerous democrats from society. This is clearly a public safety issue that would result in less death and destruction in America.
^this.

And it needs to include democrats like Dr Bee, Hekking, TriTip, those who are dangerously stupid like them. They are a menace to society.
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Guns have 2 enemies. democrats and rust.
And rust can be dealt with in a reasonable way, and that doesn't work, just grind it off, kinda like you should do with democrats!
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Know how to reduce school shooting?
Ban social media.
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Its hilarious that all the Vile Dims that want to grab your guns are the very ones that we need guns to protect ourselves against.
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What do beta boys do ???
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Originally Posted by RAMMAN View Post
the Parable Of The Sheep (not The Bible version)

Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. "Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!"

One sheep spoke up, saying "It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery." The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried "Begone! We are not food!" and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out "Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!"

The brave sheep stopped, amazed. "But we are your brethren!" they cried, "We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!"

"Baaaaaaaddd!", cried the flock,"the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!". So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep's weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, "Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!".

And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying "It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!". But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of "Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!".

Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying "Baaaaddd! Bad things!".

That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep's totems and signs, and said, "Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!". And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, "See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!". But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, "Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!". The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another's teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.

They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!
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Better question to them is why did the founders put that in
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Originally Posted by Viking0728 View Post
I honestly believe that as soon as the first shots were fired you would rabbit the hell out of there. There is nothing in your past that I have heard that would lead me to believe otherwise.
You do not know how you would react until being faced with being in that situation. I have posted about this before but would like to think most people would react like I did despite political persuasion. I try very much not to generalize and stereotype but given what I see of leftist policy I make observations and draw conclusions. Admittedly sometimes out of my *** with no basis of experience with which to properly craft a cogent argument (kind of like today's leftists). I am not perfect.

That being said:
  • Leftists support abortion and the killing of unborn children
  • Leftists fight laws to keep abortion illegal
  • Leftists do not want guns in schools
  • Leftists create laws to keep guns out of schools

Owebo is a prolific poster and I know his ideology. I do not know yours so if I am preaching to you I apologize.

I have a decent ability to sympathize with emotion and empathize with logic and reason based on direct experience so I am left (no pun intended) to conclude:
  • Leftists do not truly care about our children
  • Leftists do not care about my safety or that of my instructional colleagues.

I was involved in what I thought was a school shooting. My school did a live fire drill (with blanks). Myself and my staff were not made aware this was occurring and the drill was happening near my office. I am a prolific shooter with training both from Sig Sauer Academy and Massad Ayoob in the lethal use of force and a CCW holder. Carrying a firearm in a school in NY is a felony so I do not carry at work but am clearly familiar with what guns sound like. I ran towards the gunfire with nothing but my bare hands to go save the lives of my students and teachers. Fortunately the firearms were being used by uniformed LEOs or I could have seriously hurt or killed one of them when I saw they were holding firearms.

Based on my observations of leftists beliefs and policy initiatives (of which you may or may not subscribe to I really do not know) and what I know of my own beliefs and policies on the right (of which I do subscribe) I would very much disagree with your assessment (based on political and policy alignment) of what Owebo would do. I cannot speak for him but suspect the right leaning folks are going to be much more apt to run towards the sound of gun fire to save lives.

I pray that regardless of one's ideology they would run into a burning building to save children but as I noted above in my observations based on direct experience I fear that isn't the case.

God Bless you sir.
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Originally Posted by Upstate View Post
You do not know how you would react until being faced with being in that situation. I have posted about this before but would like to think most people would react like I did despite political persuasion. I try very much not to generalize and stereotype but given what I see of leftist policy I make observations and draw conclusions. Admittedly sometimes out of my *** with no basis of experience with which to properly craft a cogent argument (kind of like today's leftists). I am not perfect.

That being said:
  • Leftists support abortion and the killing of unborn children
  • Leftists fight laws to keep abortion illegal
  • Leftists do not want guns in schools
  • Leftists create laws to keep guns out of schools

Owebo is a prolific poster and I know his ideology. I do not know yours so if I am preaching to you I apologize.

I have a decent ability to sympathize with emotion and empathize with logic and reason based on direct experience so I am left (no pun intended) to conclude:
  • Leftists do not truly care about our children
  • Leftists do not care about my safety or that of my instructional colleagues.

I was involved in what I thought was a school shooting. My school did a live fire drill (with blanks). Myself and my staff were not made aware this was occurring and the drill was happening near my office. I am a prolific shooter with training both from Sig Sauer Academy and Massad Ayoob in the lethal use of force and a CCW holder. Carrying a firearm in a school in NY is a felony so I do not carry at work but am clearly familiar with what guns sound like. I ran towards the gunfire with nothing but my bare hands to go save the lives of my students and teachers. Fortunately the firearms were being used by uniformed LEOs or I could have seriously hurt or killed one of them when I saw they were holding firearms.

Based on my observations of leftists beliefs and policy initiatives (of which you may or may not subscribe to I really do not know) and what I know of my own beliefs and policies on the right (of which I do subscribe) I would very much disagree with your assessment (based on political and policy alignment) of what Owebo would do. I cannot speak for him but suspect the right leaning folks are going to be much more apt to run towards the sound of gun fire to save lives.

I pray that regardless of one's ideology they would run into a burning building to save children but as I noted above in my observations based on direct experience I fear that isn't the case.

God Bless you sir.
That's a lot of generalizations about "the left". I appreciate your polite commentary.
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Better question to them is why did the founders put that in
To allow for well regulated militias to defend against British tyranny.

That threat has passed. Now we have the tyranny of gun cultists, and they must be disarmed.
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Originally Posted by Rock-it Man View Post
To allow for well regulated militias to defend against British tyranny.

That threat has passed. Now we have the tyranny of gun cultists, and they must be disarmed.
Link?
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Now we have the threat of socialist, islamist, communist, anarchist, and dictatorial in general cultists. I prefer having the option, no, the right, to defend myself and others from them by whatever means necessary.

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Link?
I'm giving you the historical context of the 2nd Amendment.

Surely you don't need a link to the text of the Constitution, or to the 18th Century.
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To allow for well regulated militias to defend against British tyranny.

That threat has passed. Now we have the tyranny of gun cultists, and they must be disarmed.
Please define "Gun Cultist" and "Tyranny" in your own words. Tyranny I think most folks without a dictionary could come up with an agreed upon if not subjective definition but I am interested in hearing your thoughts regardless. "Gun Cultist" would likely not fall into that same category.

Can you articulate how gun cultists are tyrannical, again in your own words and with your own definitions and how you would execute a disarmament process?

I am not playing gotchya. Trying to have a constructive conversation with subjective definitions based on a single statement leaves too many things open to interpretation.
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To allow for well regulated militias to defend against British tyranny.

That threat has passed. Now we have the tyranny of gun cultists, and they must be disarmed.
That's not what SCOTUS ruled

Deal with it, SFB
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