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Old 05-10-2019, 06:40 PM
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That gun ownership is a right but a limited right was clearly expressed in a landmark case called the Heller decision which was authored by some largely unknown conservative justice that goes by the name Antonin Scalia. /s

The ban on registering handguns and the requirement to keep guns in the home disassembled or nonfunctional with a trigger lock mechanism violate the Second Amendment. Justice Antonin Scalia delivered the opinion for the 5-4 majority. The Court held that the first clause of the Second Amendment that references a “militia” is a prefatory clause that does not limit the operative clause of the Amendment. Additionally, the term “militia” should not be confined to those serving in the military, because at the time the term referred to all able-bodied men who were capable of being called to such service. To read the Amendment as limiting the right to bear arms only to those in a governed military force would be to create exactly the type of state-sponsored force against which the Amendment was meant to protect people. Because the text of the Amendment should be read in the manner that gives greatest effect to the plain meaning it would have had at the time it was written, the operative clause should be read to “guarantee an individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.” This reading is also in line with legal writing of the time and subsequent scholarship. Therefore, banning handguns, an entire class of arms that is commonly used for protection purposes, and prohibiting firearms from being kept functional in the home, the area traditionally in need of protection, violates the Second Amendment.
Scalia isn't here to defend himself but maybe Clarence Thomas might fill you in on the details.

Whether you agree or not with the conservative opinion, it is the law of the land and things are way better than they were before Heller.
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There is no our rights, thinking in terms of our is how you lost your
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President Trump needs to round up the Seditionists in the Democrat and Republican Party and ship them to Gitmo.
Yet he won't, because he can't. When he leaves the whitehouse the swamp will be unchanged.
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Yet he won't, because he can't. When he leaves the whitehouse the swamp will be unchanged.
The change to the swamp already is impressive....it’s a different city....

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Originally Posted by vette6799 View Post
That gun ownership is a right but a limited right was clearly expressed in a landmark case called the Heller decision which was authored by some largely unknown conservative justice that goes by the name Antonin Scalia. /s



Scalia isn't here to defend himself but maybe Clarence Thomas might fill you in on the details.

Whether you agree or not with the conservative opinion, it is the law of the land and things are way better than they were before Heller.
which part of what you quoted limits anything? Scalia simply addressed ONE aspect of the 2nd. Nowhere did he say “ONLY guarantee an individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

Anyone who thinks the 2nd was not also intended to include the peoples right to fight off a tyrannical government (since that is EXACTLY what the people who drafted the Constitution had just gone through) is an idiot.....and that would INCLUDE ANY JUDGE ANYWHERE.

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There is no our rights, thinking in terms of our is how you lost your
I did not choose this. I am the type that has always been wiling to challenge, unfortunately many people got fat and happy in the US Centuries ago and stupid enough to believe propaganda, meanwhile :they: were busy being smarter and chiseling away at OUR rights.

A gun is not my right based on what a human says, said, wrote on paper, etc. . A gun to me is the same as a hammer. Unfortunately people go through school from little on and learn to OBEY. Some don't.

Now if you think WE can just "disobey" please look up youtube vids of how police act in traffic stops, or on calls. LOL imagine a day when they have to deal with a person with a gun" they should not own".

If there were a group of any size to get **** done, THEY would call in teh army and the cops. I'd be shocked if the army did not listen and go against the people. In fact I just seen a photo online of a person that served in the guard and currently is and holds a sign about WILL PRY YOUR GUN FROM YOUR COLD DEAD HANDS.

This is real, people will lose lives over this stuff someday. This is a power struggle and the inevitable will happen to those that do not wish to be tread on.
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which part of what you quoted limits anything?
None of it....

we we need to be forever vigilant to the creep of liberal fascism upon the land...
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which part of what you quoted limits anything? Scalia simply addressed ONE aspect of the 2nd. Nowhere did he say “ONLY guarantee an individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

Anyone who thinks the 2nd was not also intended to include the peoples right to fight off a tyrannical government (since that is EXACTLY what the people who drafted the Constitution had just gone through) is an idiot.....and that would INCLUDE ANY JUDGE ANYWHERE.
Argue with Scalia. I'm just the messenger.

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER

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"We" elected jackass, anti-American, libbie slime...stop doing that ****.
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Rights never change however, just the level of oppression you liberals force upon people...
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Originally Posted by vette6799 View Post
Argue with Scalia. I'm just the messenger.



DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER
I argue with anyone who claims what you quoted limits anything. It doesn't. Lawyers and judges have "interpreted" things every since our country was founded. Im simply "interpreting" what was written in Heller.

I know what the 2nd says in plain English. Any infringement on it is illegal. If it is to be changed, it is to be done so with an amendment to the Constitution.
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Rights however, never change. Just the level of oppression you fascist liberals force upon people...
Post of the day. Nailed it
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Rights never change however, just the level of oppression you liberals force upon people...
Says the guy that brags about voting for a liberal dem in Kentucky in 2016 to flip a red seat.
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To the OP, laws and rights change naturally as society evolves. Example, you had the right to own another human being 150 yrs ago and today you don't. We (the people) revoked that right. Rights are also created/granted as society evolves. Example, today women can vote and even more recently some people can smoke pot.

For those about to quote the constitution, that changes too as our society changes. If not, we'd have zero amendments to the constitution.
Meh

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Rights come from God and do not change.

Laws come from men in power, often violate the rights of other men, and change all the time.

It is the duty of good men to disobey unjust laws and removed from power those who would abrogate their rights

This is basic Humanity/Civics and all good parents teach this to their children
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Rights come from God and do not change.

Laws come from men in power, often violate the rights of other men, and change all the time.

It is the duty of good men to disobey unjust laws and removed from power those who would abrogate their rights

This is basic Humanity/Civics and all good parents teach this to their children
You nailed it, well.said.
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Rights come from God and do not change.

Laws come from men in power, often violate the rights of other men, and change all the time.

It is the duty of good men to disobey unjust laws and removed from power those who would abrogate their rights

This is basic Humanity/Civics and all good parents teach this to their children
We will have to assume DB will not be a good parent...l
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Loss of freedom is precisely why 2A was included into the Constitution to protect against oppression. To wit:


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris Nov. 13. 1787.

What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed.

We need a revolution every 200 years, because all governments become stale and corrupt after 200 years.
Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted by Dr Bee View Post
To the OP, laws and rights change naturally as society evolves. Example, you had the right to own another human being 150 yrs ago and today you don't. We (the people) revoked that right. Rights are also created/granted as society evolves. Example, today women can vote and even more recently some people can smoke pot.

For those about to quote the constitution, that changes too as our society changes. If not, we'd have zero amendments to the constitution.
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Not owning another human being is a civil right... and protecting yourself or another human being often times falls under the term "personal responsibility".

Every man and woman is responsible for staying alive. You are not suppose to let other people kill you in random or targeted situations.

Is that clear? Or do you need examples?

Lets be clear about one thing... the Barbarians are at the Gates... they will take your rights away as fast as they can if you let them.
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