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Old 05-11-2019, 11:00 PM
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I still disagree. He was no prophet. I don't even think he believed in anything he preached. He created this cult as a way to control and manipulate people to do his bidding. Too bad the cult didn't die out with him. Makes Adolf Hitler look like a ******* boy scout.
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Atheist. No idea what you mean by a "Christian atheist". I regard Judeo/Christian or any other notions of religion as nonsense. It requires a consciousness to perceive the universe but I don't believe there's a consciousness directing the universe.

Referring to reality/nature as "God" is pointless. Referring to it as nature and reality works fine.
Just vaguely along those lines, what's your explanation for how the laws of physics turned out so remarkably perfect to allow stars and elements to form and eventually allow our planet and solar system to form and consistently operate well enough to allow human existence for tens of thousands of years?
Ultimately because that's the way stuff operates. As to the particulars, I'm not a professional physicist and further as I understand it what's regarded as the "laws of physics" are constantly being revised. I don't know all the answers and neither does any scientist who's ever lived.

Not knowing all the answers in no way validates the nonsense of religion. Even if it turns out life on Earth was seeded here by some advanced civilization from elsewhere it doesn't validate the nonsense of religion.
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Ultimately because that's the way stuff operates. As to the particulars, I'm not a professional physicist and further as I understand it what's regarded as the "laws of physics" are constantly being revised. I don't know all the answers and neither does any scientist who's ever lived.

Not knowing all the answers in no way validates the nonsense of religion. Even if it turns out life on Earth was seeded here by some advanced civilization from elsewhere it doesn't validate the nonsense of religion.
Let's be respectful. The fact is none of us absolutely know. We can believe, we can theorize, but unless or until such time as 'God' or space aliens come tell us how it all started, we're just believing in what makes sense to us individually.

I consider myself to be agnostic, more closely a true atheist, but I have to concede the fact that I do not know. And until such time as I do know, I have to recognize the possibility, no matter how remote, that life was created by an all powerful being.
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Let's be respectful.
Not quite the mantra of the various churches over the centuries.

I consider myself to be agnostic, more closely a true atheist, but I have to concede the fact that I do not know.
A "true atheist" is one who doesn't possess theistic belief. You don't have to be a devotee of Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins or belong to any atheist groups or have even heard of the term "atheist". All people are born as atheists. They don't have any concept of anything so they certainly don't have a concept of theism. I've been an atheist since before I'd ever heard of the word.

A so-called agnostic isn't a fence-sitting position. It's an on/off switch. If the answer to the question "do you believe in God" isn't an unequivocal "Yes" including all variations on "I don't know" then you're an atheist. You are without theism.
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Sorry y'all, too busy getting my sunday morning deliverance.

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Great, more Saturday night horseshit.
Yet, here you are. . .


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Till I see compelling "evidence" I'll remain an a-deist.
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Ultimately because that's the way stuff operates. So, all these laws of physics were just one helluva lucky happenstance to pop up the way they did at the Big Bang? As to the particulars, I'm not a professional physicist and further as I understand it what's regarded as the "laws of physics" are constantly being revised. Are they getting more accurately described, or are you saying that the actual laws of physics that describe how the universe works evolve over the eons? I don't know all the answers and neither does any scientist who's ever lived.

Not knowing all the answers in no way validates the nonsense of religion.Your lack of knowledge in physics also does not invalidate any particular religion. Even if it turns out life on Earth was seeded here by some advanced civilization from elsewhere How did life originate at that "elsewhere" location you propose that might exist? And how did/would it make it here? it doesn't validate the nonsense of religion.
Again, your lack of knowledge of physics and your lack of knowledge of how life can/cannot arise does not invalidate religion (or validate your opinion of religion).
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Ultimately because that's the way stuff operates. As to the particulars, I'm not a professional physicist and further as I understand it what's regarded as the "laws of physics" are constantly being revised. I don't know all the answers and neither does any scientist who's ever lived.

Not knowing all the answers in no way validates the nonsense of religion. Even if it turns out life on Earth was seeded here by some advanced civilization from elsewhere it doesn't validate the nonsense of religion.
Again, your lack of knowledge of physics and your lack of knowledge of how life can/cannot arise does not invalidate religion (or validate your opinion of religion).
Your sentence is meaningless word salad, one doesn't claim their lack of information to invalidate a point made by another - that wasn't in any way the point being made. You're trying to ignore the unavoidable point that *was* made that all the answers not being known in no way serves to *validate* religion though it's a common yet always fallacious assertion of the religious. The religious have the burden of proof of substantiating their claims, they can't cite the limits of current scientific knowledge as "proof" that their beliefs are valid. One has no bearing on the other.

Further I know more than enough science to invalidate many religious claims - such as the notion of the Noah's Ark story being true. Now we get to eat popcorn and watch the religious argue amongst themselves as to whether and which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally.

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Your sentence is meaningless word salad, one doesn't claim their lack of information to invalidate a point made by another - that wasn't in any way the point being made. You're trying to ignore the unavoidable point that *was* made that all the answers not being known in no way serves to *validate* religion though it's a common yet always fallacious assertion of the religious. The religious have the burden of proof of substantiating their claims, they can't cite the limits of current scientific knowledge as "proof" that their beliefs are valid. One has no bearing on the other.

Further I know more than enough science to invalidate many religious claims - such as the notion of the Noah's Ark story being true. Now we get to eat popcorn and watch the religious argue amongst themselves as to whether and which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally.
Amuse me. Tell me the story.
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Is the term Christian Atheist something along the lines as Democrat Socialist?
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Originally Posted by brassplyer View Post
Your sentence is meaningless word salad, one doesn't claim their lack of information to invalidate a point made by another - that wasn't in any way the point being made. You're trying to ignore the unavoidable point that *was* made that all the answers not being known in no way serves to *validate* religion though it's a common yet always fallacious assertion of the religious. The religious have the burden of proof of substantiating their claims, they can't cite the limits of current scientific knowledge as "proof" that their beliefs are valid. One has no bearing on the other.

Further I know more than enough science to invalidate many religious claims - such as the notion of the Noah's Ark story being true. Now we get to eat popcorn and watch the religious argue amongst themselves as to whether and which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally.

Lets not forget about talking animals and people living inside of them.

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I used to be catholic but I came to realize that there is no evidence to suggest that god exists. While I keep an open mind to look at evidence if presented, as of right now, I don't see anything that would be convincing evidence. I do believe that Jesus existed but that he was not supernatural or the son of god. My wife is Christian and I do celebrate Christian Holidays like Christmas, Easter etc. with my family but only for "Tradition" as reason and not because I believe in a higher being. If it wasn't for my family, I would care less of those Holidays..
Not sure if I would fit your definition of a Christian Atheist or not.. All that matters is that based on current evidence (or lack thereof), I do NOT believe in any deity.
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I don't do the formal religion go to church on Sunday thing, never have. I did have a very religious BIL tell me one day that I had more Christian values than most of the people in his church. That always stuck with me for some reason.
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Are you a Christian Atheist who rejects Godís existence, God as Creator of Everything, and/or do you reject the suoernatural aspects of God and/or Jesus?
The term is ridiculous and oxymoronic on its face. The very term Christian was coined in the early Church and was indicative of people who believed that Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Jewish Messiah, i.e. God incarnate in human form. To identify oneself as a "Christian" in the same vein as the Bible describes is by definition to identify oneself as a theist or one who accepts the notion of a supernatural Creator...

Really, to just broad-brush and say that you "accept Jesus' teachings" but to not accept those statements of His that connect to who He claimed to be (GOD) is to be very selective. To put it bluntly, Jesus stated quite clearly that you could obey all of His commandments and not accept Him for who He was, and He would say to you "depart from me, you worker of iniquity-I never knew you"

That is the Bible message in a nutshell-you can invest all of your human might into living whatever you think might be a godly, righteous, upright, decent, even holy life, but apart from establishing a real relationship with God through the knowledge and acceptance of His Son Jesus Christ you are essentially wasting your time.

Kinda like having a $100,000 Z06 in your driveway but not having the key to start it. Sort of pointless, really...
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The term is ridiculous and oxymoronic on its face. The very term Christian was coined in the early Church and was indicative of people who believed that Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Jewish Messiah, i.e. God incarnate in human form. To identify oneself as a "Christian" in the same vein as the Bible describes is by definition to identify oneself as a theist or one who accepts the notion of a supernatural Creator...

Really, to just broad-brush and say that you "accept Jesus' teachings" but to not accept those statements of His that connect to who He claimed to be (GOD) is to be very selective. To put it bluntly, Jesus stated quite clearly that you could obey all of His commandments and not accept Him for who He was, and He would say to you "depart from me, you worker of iniquity-I never knew you"

That is the Bible message in a nutshell-you can invest all of your human might into living whatever you think might be a godly, righteous, upright, decent, even holy life, but apart from establishing a real relationship with God through the knowledge and acceptance of His Son Jesus Christ you are essentially wasting your time.

Kinda like having a $100,000 Z06 in your driveway but not having the key to start it. Sort of pointless, really...
You do understand why I started the thread, right?
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I used to be catholic but I came to realize that there is no evidence to suggest that god exists. While I keep an open mind to look at evidence if presented, as of right now, I don't see anything that would be convincing evidence. I do believe that Jesus existed but that he was not supernatural or the son of god. My wife is Christian and I do celebrate Christian Holidays like Christmas, Easter etc. with my family but only for "Tradition" as reason and not because I believe in a higher being. If it wasn't for my family, I would care less of those Holidays..
Not sure if I would fit your definition of a Christian Atheist or not.. All that matters is that based on current evidence (or lack thereof), I do NOT believe in any deity.
Itís not my definition. Itís a term I ran across and looked into it. They are a real group.
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The term is ridiculous and oxymoronic on its face. The very term Christian was coined in the early Church and was indicative of people who believed that Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Jewish Messiah, i.e. God incarnate in human form. To identify oneself as a "Christian" in the same vein as the Bible describes is by definition to identify oneself as a theist or one who accepts the notion of a supernatural Creator...
Thomas Jefferson considered himself just such a variety of "Christian". He liked some of what was attributed to the alleged figure of Jesus but rejected the notion that he was the son of a deity. He even re-wrote the Bible to his liking to reflect this.

This is why the religious right faction of the Texas board of ed wants Jefferson - founding father, third POTUS and primary author of the DoI - redacted from American History textbooks - the reality of his beliefs doesn't fit their baseless "America is a Christian nation" narrative.

Really, to just broad-brush and say that you "accept Jesus' teachings" but to not accept those statements of His that connect to who He claimed to be (GOD) is to be very selective.
The religious as a whole are quite selective in what they decide to adhere to.
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Further I know more than enough science to invalidate many religious claims - such as the notion of the Noah's Ark story being true. Now we get to eat popcorn and watch the religious argue amongst themselves as to whether and which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally.
Amuse me. Tell me the story.
Tell you which story - Noah's Ark? You're not already familiar with it?
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I'm an apatheist.
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