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Default We either have Freedom of the Press or we don't.

With the recent and more aggressive stance by Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram on censoring content based on their political ideology of what is "hate speech", it's time to face this issue head on, and that is exactly what President Trump and Conservatives appear to be doing.

The "free press" our founding fathers believed in was far different than the "free press" we have today. Now, these entities, from the NYT, Washington Post, CNN, MSLSD, and others are nothing more than the propaganda arms of giant conglomerates. There is no "FREE SPEECH" with the exception of the internet and now that is under direct assault.

It's time to legislate that Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or any other online form of information source that is NOT 100% subscription based and funded, is a NOT a private held entity, and can deny access to anybody or group based upon their opinions.

As much as I detest Louis Farrakhan, he should NEVER be banned or censored for what he says, nor should anybody else.

It's time to strip away these groups ability to censor by claiming they have a right since they are not the "press". If liberals can claim our founders never foresaw the weapons of today when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, then Conservatives need to step up and claim the same about the internet and access to information.
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A specious argument - Freedom of the Press is about government censorship; e.g. it will make no law impacting those freedoms. In no way does that imply the government can make laws coercing a fair standard in the press...

Its a fine line between restraining legitimate political discourse and prohibiting vile (and dangerous) hate speech and I'm not sure what the answer is.
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The founding fathers had no idea that the CIA and FBI would be created, then started operation mockingbird, and seed money to start up 6oo6le, facistbook, etc.

Too bad George Orwell wasn't on the FF team, they sure could have used his foresight.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink View Post
A specious argument - Freedom of the Press is about government censorship; e.g. it will make no law impacting those freedoms. In no way does that imply the government can make laws coercing a fair standard in the press...

Its a fine line between restraining legitimate political discourse and prohibiting vile (and dangerous) hate speech and I'm not sure what the answer is.
You’re argument falls into the liberal trap....there is no such thing as hate speech....
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink View Post
A specious argument - Freedom of the Press is about government censorship; e.g. it will make no law impacting those freedoms. In no way does that imply the government can make laws coercing a fair standard in the press...

Its a fine line between restraining legitimate political discourse and prohibiting vile (and dangerous) hate speech and I'm not sure what the answer is.

Agreed.

The left is playing both sides of the argument and is winning. They claim certain groups should have total freedom of the press, yet also claim other entities shouldn't have it applied to them. It's time to revisit the issue and determine is Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram in essence, the 21st century version of "the press".
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I oppose the OP's idea. On the surface, it might seem like a good idea, but do we really want anti-American facists and liberals (one and the same) like zerobumma and his team of corrupt scum in charge of what is considered "bad speech"? These oppressive idiots already try and control you with speech, and you want to let them have "official" control, in violation of the Constitution?

The thing to do is to not use the liberal propaganda networks. There ARE alternatives to faceyuck, twattle, and the msm outlets. They aren't as popular or as glitzy and polished, or as celebrated by the domestic enemy, but they exist. Do you think ANY of them would if the OP proposal were implemented, at least the next time the domestic enemy liberals take power, with all of their oppression, perversion, and misery?

No, the proposal isn't just against the Constitution, it's just a bad idea that plays directly into the evil hands of those who want to destroy every iota of freedom they can.
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Originally Posted by BobG View Post
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I oppose the OP's idea. On the surface, it might seem like a good idea, but do we really want anti-American facists and liberals (one and the same) like zerobumma and his team of corrupt scum in charge of what is considered "bad speech"? These oppressive idiots already try and control you with speech, and you want to let them have "official" control, in violation of the Constitution?

The thing to do is to not use the liberal propaganda networks. There ARE alternatives to faceyuck, twattle, and the msm outlets. They aren't as popular or as glitzy and polished, or as celebrated by the domestic enemy, but they exist. Do you think ANY of them would if the OP proposal were implemented, at least the next time the domestic enemy liberals take power, with all of their oppression, perversion, and misery?

No, the proposal isn't just against the Constitution, it's just a bad idea that plays directly into the evil hands of those who want to destroy every iota of freedom they can.

I'd have to agree with you. Unless the argument can be made these platforms somehow fit the criteria of functioning as a utility or being a monopoly, this needs to be approached without government intervention.

It might seem like a good short term 'fix' for the situation, but we're risking setting a precedent for bureaucrats defining free speech. The 'Fairness Doctrine' comes to mind.
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Facebook, twitter and instagram aren't "press".

And the press is free to report on what they want. Where's the lack of press freedom?
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Facebook, twitter and instagram aren't "press".

And the press is free to report on what they want. Where's the lack of press freedom?
I would argue that they are "the press," but they have the same editorial freedom as any newspaper. The government can't force the NYT to publish authors they don't want to publish, and neither can they force FB to do so.
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Originally Posted by Mcrider View Post
It's time to revisit the issue and determine is Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram in essence, the 21st century version of "the press".
Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are a business, their bat and ball. Until they redefine their business as a News Media outlet they remain social media platforms.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Facebook, twitter and instagram aren't "press".

And the press is free to report on what they want. Where's the lack of press freedom?
On this we agree.
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I've figured either new plat forums need to be created where far left run company censorship isn't happening.

Or the government needs to step in and break up the tech firms and regulate them.

The recent Apple court case where they lost at the Supreme Court I thought was interesting.
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Will be interesting to see if Facebook does similar here in America before the next Presidential election.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...-eu-elections/

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Facebook has shut down 23 major populist Italian pages with 2.5 million followers just two weeks before the European elections.

According to Italian media, the majority of the pages supported the populist parties La Lega (The League) and the 5-Star Movement (M5S) — who currently govern Italy in a temporary coalition.....
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Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are a business,

Then so are the NYT, CNN, MSLSD, Washington Post. Owned by conglomerates with shareholders, designed to create a profit, and to achieve a specific political agenda that benefits the owners and increasing their profits.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
Facebook, twitter and instagram aren't "press".

And the press is free to report on what they want. Where's the lack of press freedom?
That's like a politician saying "Yes I took that massive campaign donation, but they don't get any special favors from me because of it".

There are still a few single digit IQ's that may fall for it.
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Nothing says freedom of the press like more regulation.
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Reagan ended equal time. If you don't like the news don't buy the paper.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink View Post
A specious argument - Freedom of the Press is about government censorship; e.g. it will make no law impacting those freedoms. In no way does that imply the government can make laws coercing a fair standard in the press...

Its a fine line between restraining legitimate political discourse and prohibiting vile (and dangerous) hate speech and I'm not sure what the answer is.
I agree with you. Just like right here on PR&C.
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The problem is that these internet sites advertise that they are not censoring political speech or content. Then they do. It is like your business saying you serve everyone but in reality you don't serve Asians. If they would say upfront that they only allow liberals or anyone that isn't Asian then no problem. There are federal and state laws about bait and switch. They want your information (saleable product) and then discriminate after getting it.
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As much as I would love to see the social media giants go away, asking the government to "fix" it is not a good idea.

Considering the fact that "we the people" won't vote in people who care about free speech, giving the elected officials the power to regulate it would only make things worse than it is now.
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