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Old 05-16-2019, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jasper711 View Post
Us clueless people personally lived through the tragedy of watching friends and family stumble (and in one case, die) because of harmless pot. Go ahead and believe your God damned studies that say pot is harmless; every pro-pot (recreational, not medicinal purposes) study I've looked at has been a rationalization for escaping reality. On the other hand there is a vast universe of information available as a warning of the dangers, if you are not blind.
All people are different. Some people react horribly to peanuts too. But 99% of people who use pot don't have any issues.

I'd put a huge wager that pot wasn't the root cause for the tragedy you witnessed, but a symptom of more serious underlying problems.

Sorry. But you're the one rationalizing, not me.

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Old 05-16-2019, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sifu-TZ View Post
no it certainly does not. this is not a medical report it's written by a reporter selling a book. there is no more a need to defend cannabis use than there is to defend any other plant. the author isn't a chemist, doctor, or scientist.

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You mean reporters and people cannot report on medicine or science???!!!!
When did that happen?


But nice try again to defend heavy cannabis use.
Keep digging.

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Old 05-16-2019, 12:30 PM
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Guns don't kill people, cannabis kills people...

Or is it cannabis doesn't kill people, guns do?

Either way, we need to outlaw all these scary things that hurt people who misuse them! All aboard!!
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Originally Posted by virtue4u View Post
You mean reporters and people cannot report on medicine or science???!!!!
When did that happen?


But nice try again to defend heavy cannabis use.
Keep digging.
no digging needed. one idiots' opinion, that reporter, does not a scientific finding make. I'm pretty sure we can agree that psychotic people shouldn't have any marijuanas. or any alcohol, or weapons, or stimulants, or power tools...

looks like the rest of us are pretty safe.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackie N View Post
Let's not go that far. It's not out of the realm that a mind altering substance can trigger certain responses in people predisposed to various mental conditions.

Dismissing the findings just because you don't agree with the alarmist headlines is foolish.
Not only is it not out of the realm of possibility, it's likely. I won't argue this at all. It's common sense.

Originally Posted by Sifu-TZ View Post
no digging needed. one idiots' opinion, that reporter, does not a scientific finding make. I'm pretty sure we can agree that psychotic people shouldn't have any marijuanas. or any alcohol, or weapons, or stimulants, or power tools...

looks like the rest of us are pretty safe.
Exactly. Pot isn't the only thing these people should be worried about.

Nobody (except the prohibitionist) is talking about these corner cases. We're talking about the vast majority of the population.
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Cannabis cannot be legally studied scientifically with clinical trials, because it is a Schedule 1 drug with prohibitions preventing FDA oversight. If cannabis is both killing people, and healing people (or providing a benefit), why is it not legal to be studied with FDA oversight?

What other Schedule 1 drug is legal in some states (for any legal use)?

What motivates the opposition to removing the Schedule 1 drug status of cannabis, and imposing FDA oversight of cannabis testing and use?
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Wow, so psychotic people are dangerous...whoda thunk...
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In the USA, the use of mercury as a universal medicine for almost any disease made large parts of the population turn their backs on established medicine from the middle of the 1800s (Risse, 1973). The worst medical poison use was gradually abandoned. But not in dentistry. Both the American Medical Association and the Americal Dental Association were founded to defend the use of mercury, the former for calomel (mercurous chloride) and the latter for amalgam. Apparently we have a very similar development today; people turn to alternative care and health foods and the establishment defending current practice and denying risks.
The more people change the more they remain the same. Just saying. If it wasn't the case there would not be as many bars and liquor stores.
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Originally Posted by 63 340HP View Post
Cannabis cannot be legally studied scientifically with clinical trials, because it is a Schedule 1 drug with prohibitions preventing FDA oversight. If cannabis is both killing people, and healing people (or providing a benefit), why is it not legal to be studied with FDA oversight?

What other Schedule 1 drug is legal in some states (for any legal use)?

What motivates the opposition to removing the Schedule 1 drug status of cannabis, and imposing FDA oversight of cannabis testing and use?
Pretty simple. Follow the money.

My guess is it leads directly to Big Pharma and Big Alcohol lobbying. It literally makes no sense whatsoever to be schedule 1.
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
Pretty simple. Follow the money.

My guess is it leads directly to Big Pharma and Big Alcohol lobbying. It literally makes no sense whatsoever to be schedule 1.
When discussing cannabis with regard to FDA oversight I often ask Democrats the question, "who do your elected representatives represent, big corporations or you the voter?"

The weasel words that follow are excuses to prohibit FDA oversight and regulation of cannabis, rather than admit that Big Pharma has the Democrat Party leadership in Congress by the ***** (and the same can be said for the Republicans in Congress).
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Skipping the part about cannabis causing the psychosis?

You might want to read up a more wide spread problem. Alcohol induced psychosis. It happens every where all of the time. Just add alcohol and you get an *******.

If you want to demonize Cannabis you have to demonize alcohol or you are intellectually dishonest.
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Originally Posted by jashmore1234 View Post
You might want to read up a more wide spread problem. Alcohol induced psychosis. It happens every where all of the time. Just add alcohol and you get an *******.

If you want to demonize Cannabis you have to demonize alcohol or you are intellectually dishonest.
At some point, these threads always turn into pot vs alcohol. But facts are facts. There is ONE HELLUVA lot more to worry about with alcohol than pot.

Unfortunately more than seven percent of the American population aged 18 and up have a drinking problem; this is nearly 13.8 million Americans, and 8.1 million of them are alcoholic. Based on these numbers, it is clear that alcoholism and alcohol abuse are serious problems that affect many people.

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But everyone with a functioning brain already knows this.

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Originally Posted by 63 340HP View Post
If we as a nation continue to legalize pot for medicinal and recreational use, the FDA must remove the schedule 1 drug label and provide research oversight. The nation needs a grading system and quality control with respect to THC and specific CBD compound concentrations, and FDA oversight to provide the public guidance regarding the clinically tested effects and effective medicinal applications.
The states with legalized medical, recreational, or both are already doing this. They have graded quantities and indicate the % of THC contained in the product. From edibles to vapes, to raw pot.
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The states with legalized medical, recreational, or both are already doing this. They have graded quantities and indicate the % of THC contained in the product. From edibles to vapes, to raw pot.
True. But Let's be honest, There's no dosage control and it's all self-medication. While that works for me, I totally understand that is not optimal for most.
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972 View Post
The states with legalized medical, recreational, or both are already doing this. They have graded quantities and indicate the % of THC contained in the product. From edibles to vapes, to raw pot.

So how did this woman in California overdose?

Do you believe the legalized cannabis industry has uniform standards nationwide?

Will your doctor prescribe cannabis (and risk losing his license to practice medicine)?

Do you oppose FDA oversight of cannabis for medicinal use?

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Originally Posted by Sifu-TZ View Post
no digging needed. one idiots' opinion, that reporter, does not a scientific finding make. ... looks like the rest of us are pretty safe.
So your opinion is scientific, eh?
But mental health professionals don't know wtf they are talking about, eh?

What we do know is that, in clinical practice – both in our practice and in discussions with colleagues in other practices – mental health professionals are seeing an increase in the number of incidents of anxiety, panic attacks, depression, and even psychotic reactions now that marijuana use has become more mainstream.

Resource: Bahorik, Amber L.; Leibowitz, Amy; Sterling, Stacy A.; Travis, Adam; Weisner, Constance; Satre, Derek D. (2017). Patterns of marijuana use among psychiatry patients with depression and its impact on recovery. Journal of Affective Disorders, 213, 168-171.
I think we see who is the idiot.

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Originally Posted by virtue4u View Post
So your opinion is scientific, eh?
But mental health professionals don't know wtf they are talking about, eh?



I think we see who is the idiot.
yes we do. that guy who wrote the article isn't a mental health professional. wait, I'm guessing you're trying to call me an idiot which is your opinion, but why not look to some mental health professionals before you label me?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...tric-disorders

https://www.medicinenet.com/medical_...is/article.htm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nd-is-not-good

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nd-thc-and-cbd

well, it certainly looks like I, and the other posters here who actually pay attention to science, aren't the idiots. I wonder who is then...
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Originally Posted by jashmore1234 View Post
You might want to read up a more wide spread problem. Alcohol induced psychosis. It happens every where all of the time. Just add alcohol and you get an *******.

If you want to demonize Cannabis you have to demonize alcohol or you are intellectually dishonest.
Oh, alcohol is known to cause crazy and deaths. The point of the OP article is no one is looking into the connection of cannabis causing crazy. Everybody thinks cannabis just creates pot-heads that mellow out and eat Doritos. Auto wrecks are up in the states that legalized marijuana as is crime. But hey, nothing to see here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.6bbbc2880262
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal...-violent-crime

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