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Free at the VA, or $5000 for private care? What's your choice?

 
Old 06-05-2019, 02:29 PM
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I'm glad that you've had such a great outcome!

VA's are like docs, some good, some not so good. And some docs in VA's are good, some not so good.

Final bills are like vapor. What is important is what your insurance paid. Usually a lot less than the bill. For instance my back surgery was billed at $25K, my insurance paid $8-9K. Hospitals typically receive 20-30% of total billings.
My insurance is UHC and I'm pretty impressed with the transparency their website gives. It shows those details on each claim, amount billed, agreed amount paid, and my share (which is now 0 for the rest of the year since I'm out of pocket maxed).

And while I have you, if I can ask your opinion, what do you think of what you see about this place?

https://osiasc.com/

I am completely impressed. Looks like a regular Dr office on the outside, modern surgical facility on the inside. State of the art equipment everywhere. And my understanding is it was all started by the Drs on staff there, including mine. They knew how to do it better than the hospitals, and it gives them total freedom in decision making and making instant process improvements.

They say way more cost effective all the way around (cheaper for us, more profit for them), plus much safer. No "sick people" to spread infection and disease, just us joint people. And so much more attentive and focused care. They were all awesome. I'm highly impressed by the whole thing.

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Old 06-05-2019, 02:40 PM
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Totally understand the advantages of private vs. government healthcare, however; there remain reasons to be concerned about the big insurance companies and how they become more powerful through computer analytics and lessened competition, to the effect of being a quasi-government provider. The doctors and the patients are only allowed what these companies decree.
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VA. Had both hips done since December

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VA has gotten a little better since Trump took office, but its still infested with liberal bureaucrats that want to line their pockets. OP made the right choice....just don't go into the VA for anything terminal that is service connected. The almighty dollar in their liberal pockets is more important than a vet's life. Just a fact.
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VA has gotten a little better since Trump took office, but its still infested with liberal bureaucrats that want to line their pockets. OP made the right choice....just don't go into the VA for anything terminal that is service connected. The almighty dollar in their liberal pockets is more important than a vet's life. Just a fact.
I see you use a term of service connected. Is this personal experience? For several years now ,I have disregarded the news on VA Healthcare and found it is specific facilities and not the overall system

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The choice to me would be simple, and the HSA limits were also increased for next year to $3,550/$7,100.

Glad you're doing well.
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VA. Had both hips done since December
Glad it worked well for you, sincerely.

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I see you use a term of service connected. Is this personal experience? For several years now ,I have disregarded the news on VA Healthcare and found it is specific facilities and not the overall system
I think you're right. As I mentioned in one post my first doctor was excellent. Truly excellent. I really liked him and was impressed with overall care at the time. But I still opted to do my first hip outside because again I was given a 6 month wait, and my option was a specialist right away at only $1000. Easy choice.

But that was then. And as mentioned also, that doctor left ~2014ish and things have gone to **** with my care, my relationship with them, and my overall perception of them.

But again, I'd really rather not bash. It's good to hear good experiences. That's what we all deserve. And my Dad had good care too... mostly at Loma Linda in the early 2000's. I've posted about these good experiences previously.... quite some time ago. But I'm sure they can be searched if so desired.

I just want it fixed for everyone. And I want the lack of accountability addressed ASAP. Reward the good, weed out the bad. ASAP.. But until government proves they can do it (which is doubtful), I caution everyone about spinning the roulette wheel with any type of "free" government care.

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Old 06-05-2019, 05:03 PM
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I see you use a term of service connected. Is this personal experience? For several years now ,I have disregarded the news on VA Healthcare and found it is specific facilities and not the overall system
Overall system is corrupt. Team leaders make the decisions and not the physicians. So for example, if a vet with history of being exposed to agent orange in Vietnam comes in with a respiratory illness.....they push that vet off to the side until they die of cancer or go someplace else. The team leader job is to save the VA money. Paying for chemotherapy, radiation therapy, or any other immunotherapy for a vet is frowned upon, as those are unnecessary expenses for the VA. It's like working in insurance and the guy with the least amount of money going out in claims at the end of the month gets rewarded. Obama has turned the VA into a cesspool and that is a fact.
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My choice would be neither.
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I LOLed at the pic of your ***.

If money is no real issue, then I'd pay the $5K. Most Americans don't have that option however without having to greatly effect their finances elsewhere.

Hope you get to feeling better and thank you for your service.
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You made the right choice. Happy healing.

F*** the VA!
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Holy crap. The bill for this just showed up at my insurance website portal.

The amount billed vs plan discount vs amount paid vs amount I actually pay is pretty damn silly.





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VA has gotten a little better since Trump took office, but its still infested with liberal bureaucrats that want to line their pockets. OP made the right choice....just don't go into the VA for anything terminal that is service connected. The almighty dollar in their liberal pockets is more important than a vet's life. Just a fact.
I see a bias here. You realize all doctors are in medicine for the MONEY.

I have had nothing but favorable experiences at the VA. But I haven’t depended on the VA for any serious medical problems. But I don’t see making the VA another Medicare type program. The VA is a very important veteran benefit and if you guy are having problems, by all means, push the up button to get that problem corrected. I am sure there are veterans that have to depend on the VA. If any of us see something that needs to be corrected with the VA, report it to your veteran's service office.
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Overall system is corrupt. Team leaders make the decisions and not the physicians. So for example, if a vet with history of being exposed to agent orange in Vietnam comes in with a respiratory illness.....they push that vet off to the side until they die of cancer or go someplace else. The team leader job is to save the VA money. Paying for chemotherapy, radiation therapy, or any other immunotherapy for a vet is frowned upon, as those are unnecessary expenses for the VA. It's like working in insurance and the guy with the least amount of money going out in claims at the end of the month gets rewarded. Obama has turned the VA into a cesspool and that is a fact.

Have you bitched to anybody else but this site? Obama has improved the VA more than most. If what you say is true it's your responsibility to bitch to the right people not us.

I have a brother-in-law that has agent orange health issues and gets all his health care from the VA. If what you say is true I am sure he would have said something.

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I see a bias here. You realize all doctors are in medicine for the MONEY.

I have had nothing but favorable experiences at the VA. But I havenít depended on the VA for any serious medical problems. But I donít see making the VA another Medicare type program. The VA is a very important veteran benefit and if you guy are having problems, by all means, push the up button to get that problem corrected. I am sure there are veterans that have to depend on the VA. If any of us see something that needs to be corrected with the VA, report it to your veteran's service office.
Keep going in for your headaches and back pain then.
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I hear ya, and heal up well

I am waiting on my xrays to come back from radiology at the VA, to see what they find in regards to my back.

So far I have been pleased with the care I get at the VA, however that is all subject to change. You just never know

Something just tells me that the VA, could miss something important. When it comes to your health that is very important!

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I hear ya, and heal up well

I am waiting on my xrays to come back from radiology at the VA, to see what they find in regards to my back.

So far I have been pleased with the care I get at the VA, however that is all subject to change. You just never know

Something just tells me that the VA, could miss something important. When it comes to your health that is very important!
They don't miss it. They just choose not tell you.
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I hear ya, and heal up well

I am waiting on my xrays to come back from radiology at the VA, to see what they find in regards to my back.

So far I have been pleased with the care I get at the VA, however that is all subject to change. You just never know

Something just tells me that the VA, could miss something important. When it comes to your health that is very important!
I'm a doc and my wife has had serious hospitalizations these past few years. The private sector misses things as well. With her most recent hospitalization I couldn't wait to get her out of the hospital due to medical errors. And that was at a well known and established tertiary care center. The way hospital medicine is practiced today, no one doc has the whole picture or responsibility. I feel terrible thinking about all those patients without their own medical advocate at the bedside. It used to be the primary doc. No longer.
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I'm a doc and my wife has had serious hospitalizations these past few years. The private sector misses things as well. With her most recent hospitalization I couldn't wait to get her out of the hospital due to medical errors. And that was at a well known and established tertiary care center. The way hospital medicine is practiced today, no one doc has the whole picture or responsibility. I feel terrible thinking about all those patients without their own medical advocate at the bedside. It used to be the primary doc. No longer.
Of course things can be missed by either. They're all just human after all.

Here's my impression. And it's nothing other than my impression.

Generally speaking, Private care just draws the better talent pool of medical professionals. What I am currently seeing at my VA seems to be older docs who are obviously well beyond their prime and a mix of young, seemingly inexperienced docs mixed with those from offshore that seem to fill diversity quotas. It's just not a good mix. And I'd much rather take my chances with the talent pool in private care vs the talent pool at the VA.
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They don't miss it. They just choose not tell you.
Do you have a history of poor service from the VA? Sounds like you have a score to settle.
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They don't miss it. They just choose not tell you.


It was written 5 times in my late husbands radiology report to "notify patient" suspicious nodules in right lung. No one ever notified him.
11 months later stage 4 lung cancer found at private hospital. VA would not treat him. I got an email from Va oncologist he could have an appointment 2 days after he died.



He did not smoke.
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