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Free at the VA, or $5000 for private care? What's your choice?

 
Old 06-05-2019, 09:54 AM
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Hip replaced yesterday. In at 8am, out at 3pm. At home on my couch by 5pm, and in bed upstairs (made it upstairs) sleeping comfortably by 9pm.

Stiff and sore this morning, but went for about a 200 foot walk at 6am with my walker and my dog (gotta keep him happy) doing laps in my cul-de-sac. Helped with the stiffness.

My oxy prescription remains sealed, and I intend to keep it that way. Only tylenol and my personal solution so far, and it's working remarkably.

I paid $5000 for this including all the pre-OP stuff, visits, MRIS, etc. That will also include up to 25 rehab visits. That's my out of pocket maximum.

My alternative was free. At the VA. They would have put me on a 6 month waiting list. And severely limited my rehab choices. And since they failed to even diagnose this, I have no confidence in their ability to fix it. And I certainly don't think I'd be doing this well the next day as I am by going to a state of the art facility with an expert specialist.

So screw you AOC. I know exactly the difference between private and VA, and I put my money where my mouth is.

So what would your choice be? $5000 or Free?

9am yesterday....


6am today.


Dr Nanson did this. He's beyond excellent. He did my left hip 5 years ago as well. And he's a team doctor for both USA men's and women's soccer teams. He's the real deal. So much better than random guy at the VA.

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Back to hiking in a couple months!

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I only go to the VA for my annual check up now to maintain my benefits. VA is my last resort for medical care.

They tried to lower my disability based solely on that and it would have screwed me. I worked with WWP for a year on this and not only did my rating get made static (no 5 year evals where it could be lowered, but it was made static and increased to 90% for life. I'm using my insurance from work for treatment and it's doing much better than the usual motrin diet the VA likes to prescribe.
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I only go to the VA for my annual check up now to maintain my benefits. VA is my last resort for medical care.

They tried to lower my disability based solely on that and it would have screwed me. I worked with WWP for a year on this and not only did my rating get made static (no 5 year evals where it could be lowered, but it was made static and increased to 90% for life. I'm using my insurance from work for treatment and it's doing much better than the usual motrin diet the VA likes to prescribe.
Yep, same here. I maintain my primary care doctor at the VA (who is worthless) just to stay in the system and to get some of my free prescriptions. Other than that, I'm done with them.
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Yep, same here. I maintain my primary care doctor at the VA (who is worthless) just to stay in the system and to get some of my free prescriptions. Other than that, I'm done with them.
I had no problems with the VA when I was in the Ft. Hood area (used Waco VA). Then I moved here to Jax. In seven years I've had 5 different docs. Mind you, I've also been lost int he system twice and had to write letters to congress critters to get it fixed, too.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:14 AM
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I'm a little confused, was that $5000 TOTAL cost, or just your share? Anyway, I'm glad you're doing well, I know several people who have had the procedure, and I'm amazed at how well it goes for most of them, considering how intrusive it is.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:19 AM
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Tricare for life. Retired military gives us the great option of avoiding the VA healthcare system.
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I'm a little confused, was that $5000 TOTAL cost, or just your share? Anyway, I'm glad you're doing well, I know several people who have had the procedure, and I'm amazed at how well it goes for most of them, considering how intrusive it is.
$5000 is my share, that's my out of pocket maximum for my insurance.

I'm curious to see the final bill on this one. Last one 5 years ago was in hospital and I spent the night. Total bill for surgery was ~$32K. I had more of a Cadillac plan then, and I only paid $1000 my share. But I think $5k is reasonable for a hip, that won't even get you a supercharger for your vette . And my monthly premiums are less for this plan. It all works out.

This one is at an outpatient surgery center that specializes in joint replacement, and like I said, I was only there 8am-3pm. I expect this to be somewhere in the $20-25K range. And this makes so much more sense for so many reasons.

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I had no problems with the VA when I was in the Ft. Hood area (used Waco VA). Then I moved here to Jax. In seven years I've had 5 different docs. Mind you, I've also been lost int he system twice and had to write letters to congress critters to get it fixed, too.
I started with the VA in Portland in 2012. I thought they were excellent then too. And my primary care physician was awesome, I really liked him a lot. But he left in 2014, and ever since then everything has gone to complete **** for me at the VA. It's very hit and miss by who you get for a doctor, and trying to change is a real pain in the *** with very little input into who you can change too. You're basically assigned, and good luck with that. And then there's the wait lists.
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Going solely by how the VA dealt with my step-father's cancer I'd say $5000 for damn sure.
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Luckily for my dad here in Michigan they farmed almost everything for his lung surgery to U of M in Ann Arbor.
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Tricare for life. Retired military gives us the great option of avoiding the VA healthcare system.
Tricare is great. I used that while active. Daughter was born at Coronado hospital instead of Balboa using that.

But I only did 8 years. I missed that option by 12. Congrats to you on seeing it thru to the end and having that option.
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My wife worked for the VA for about a week and I use them on occasion. We both agree the incentives seem to be aimed more towards employees than patients. If I’m not mistaken, they are unionized and don’t enjoy a profit motive but do have a cost motive?

The only shocker is the system does a good job occasionally. Wife said she was being told to slow down at work, from other employees and that they’ve developed other methods of maximizing pay while minimizing work. Par for gov’t institutions and programs, IMO.

The free market would fix all these economic problems but it wouldn’t feed our parasites and power ******, so pirate law it is.
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I appreciate what POTUS is trying to do with the V.A., but the Clinics apparently haven't gotten the message yet.
President Obama (out of respect for the Office) basically shut down the V.A. while he-sorry-Anti-American Bastard was in Office.
I could not make an appointment unless it was face-to-face....and that didn't accomplish much.

I was confined to a wheelchair because of two combat-damaged vertebra which finally failed.
Motrin was the treatment for decades...after 3 final months of increasing pain they gave me the oxy-crap which drugged me into submission.
Pain became even worse...morphine (given at the local E.R.) worked for two hours at a time, but they V.A. still wouldn't operate.

My wife managed to get a "supplement plan" I had emergency surgery at local city hospital...….
18 MONTHS LATER I still do not know if the V.A. approved the surgery.
My V.A. PCP finally got fed-up and resigned....I didn't blame him.

I DID get a nasty letter and phone call from the V.A. to inform me I was neglecting my health.

So…….Yes.....for now $5,000 is a DEAL.
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
Yep, same here. I maintain my primary care doctor at the VA (who is worthless) just to stay in the system and to get some of my free prescriptions. Other than that, I'm done with them.
I rate free care as well, but have not been to a VA facility in over a dozen years. Anyone who thinks a fed system is the way to go for everyone is just ******* stupid and deserves everything they get..
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$5000 is my share, that's my out of pocket maximum for my insurance.

I'm curious to see the final bill on this one. Last one 5 years ago was in hospital and I spent the night. Total bill for surgery was ~$32K. I had more of a Cadillac plan then, and I only paid $1000 my share. But I think $5k is reasonable for a hip, that won't even get you a supercharger for your vette . And my monthly premiums are less for this plan. It all works out.

This one is at an outpatient surgery center that specializes in joint replacement, and like I said, I was only there 8am-3pm. I expect this to be somewhere in the $20-25K range. And this makes so much more sense for so many reasons.

https://osiasc.com/
I'm glad that you've had such a great outcome!

VA's are like docs, some good, some not so good. And some docs in VA's are good, some not so good.

Final bills are like vapor. What is important is what your insurance paid. Usually a lot less than the bill. For instance my back surgery was billed at $25K, my insurance paid $8-9K. Hospitals typically receive 20-30% of total billings.
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
Yep, same here. I maintain my primary care doctor at the VA (who is worthless) just to stay in the system and to get some of my free prescriptions. Other than that, I'm done with them.
Yep same here, I use the VA for bi-annual labs and eye glasses. I have Tricare Standard that I'm still trying to figure out how to use as I no longer really have a PC Doctor per say, haven't needed to see a doctor for a couple years now.
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Yep same here, I use the VA for bi-annual labs and eye glasses. I have Tricare Standard that I'm still trying to figure out how to use as I no longer really have a PC Doctor per say, haven't needed to see a doctor for a couple years now.
BTW here's another take on all this. My primary civilian doc dropped Tricare Prime (which I had at the time) but kept Tricare Standard (which I now have). I have choose to use the VA for bi-annual lab stuff to reduce my out of pocket Tricare Standard cost, however, to stay in my "primary civilian doc" office I'm required to have an annual lab workup. I haven't been to my "primary civilian doc" in over two years and am not even sure if I'm still in her system.

If I woke up tomorrow needing to see a doctor I'm not really sure who I would see, go to a doc in the box I guess.
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I got grandfathered out of VA medical benefits because I didn't go there regularly in years passed even though I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I was told I'm category "G" or maybe "H" - meaning that hell will freeze over before I get anything from them. Supposedly they warned vets like me to safeguard their benefits or they would lose them (e.g. going to the clinic regularly) - I never got an email, mail notice or anything to that effect..
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I got grandfathered out of VA medical benefits because I didn't go there regularly in years passed even though I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I was told I'm category "G" or maybe "H" - meaning that hell will freeze over before I get anything from them. Supposedly they warned vets like me to safeguard their benefits or they would lose them (e.g. going to the clinic regularly) - I never got an email, mail notice or anything to that effect..
Regardless of what the online appointment schedule says, I call in every 6 months just to make sure it's all good. The VA is good about losing patients and that makes me excellent at losing patience.
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That's cheap. Just paid $8k for one of our dogs back surgery
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