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Originally Posted by doorgunner View Post
To shane p...…easy question…….

IF "Christians" had obeyed Jesus and honored his teachings, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD CHRISTIANS HAVE KILLED?

Give me a number......You can do it!
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If everyone obeyed the ten commandments no one would be killing anyone...……….
I was referring to Christians, but you still gave the correct answer...Hence: "Thou art not far from the kingdom of Heaven"



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Originally Posted by TBIRD57 View Post
i would say that obviously ISLAM IS a recognized religion(billion+adherents), but there are obviously differences within the Islamic faith.(fundamentalists to liberals). these are reflected inside
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I don't give a **** about it being "recognized". But you're at least partially right. I do believe that the fact that the cult has been in existence since the Dark Ages is the only reason it is tolerated today. Were someone to invent it in the modern age, it would be justly labeled a cult and not given recognition or Constitutional protection. muhammed is a lot more Jim Jones than Jesus Christ.
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Other Religions Kill Too


The Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is a favorite tactic of apologists confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? How about Anders Breivik, the Norwegian killer? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?


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Because they don’t have the same problem.

Timothy McVeigh is a good example of how the game works. Since his birth certificate says he was Catholic, Muslim apologists will say that he was a "Christian terrorist." Whatever objections are raised to this (ie. against the teachings) are then said to exonerate Islam as well, since it is also a religion. This is a logical error called a "faulty generalization." It is a conclusion based on insufficient premises.

In reality, details are important. Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not say, McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he stated explicitly that he was agnostic and that "science" was his religion). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for Jesus. His motives are very well documented through interviews and research. God is never mentioned.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members with no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, people do sometimes die in the name of other religions - such as abortion clinic attacks in the US - but consider the scope of the problem. For example, there have been seven deadly clinic attacks over a 44 year period in the U.S. Eleven people died. This is an average of one death every 4 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probablyexceeds five millionover this same period.

Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 innocents in a lone rampage on July 22nd, 2011, was originally misidentified as a "Christian fundamentalist" by the police. In fact, the killings were later determined to be politically motivated. He also left behind a detailed 1500 page manifesto in which he stated that he is not religious, does not know if God exists, and prefers a secular state to a theocracy. Needless to say, he does not quote any Bible verses that support his killing spree, nor did he shout "praise the Lord" as he picked people off.

In the last ten years, there have been perhaps a few dozen attacks in which death occurred at the hands of outliers motivated by a religion other than Islam (see GTD). Such a small handful of loners acting in isolation can legitimately be chalked up to mental illness or (at best) genuine misunderstanding.

By contrast, Islamic terror is organized and methodical. Islamist groups span the globe with tens of thousands of dedicated members, despite intensely targeted counter-measures. Supporters number in the tens of millions. They are open about their religious goals and they kill in the name of Allah each and every day of the year. Verses in their holy texts arguably support them. There are no video debates where they are challenged on theology by "moderates."

No other religion is doing this. So, while some Muslims may pretend that other religions are just as prone to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, reality says otherwise.



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Originally Posted by VegasJen View Post
I don't give a **** about it being "recognized". But you're at least partially right. I do believe that the fact that the cult has been in existence since the Dark Ages is the only reason it is tolerated today. Were someone to invent it in the modern age, it would be justly labeled a cult and not given recognition or Constitutional protection. muhammed is a lot more Jim Jones than Jesus Christ.
What do you think would happen if a group of Jewish fundamentalists were practicing the animal sacrifices outlined in the bible today? Do you think PETA would simply ignore that?

Or, if the liberals are able to destroy freedom, and muzzys take over and start killing liberals, do you think they will still have such a deep love for them?

Liberals are only champions of the muzzies for one reason: they are an extreme minority that can be manipulated and bought for votes at the moment. They are too stupid to see what is happening right now in europe, or any other country in which they invade, and then impose the oppression and stone age line of thought we can see from the 1400 years of history in the middle east.

It is simply amazing that anyone could be as stupid as the fools that fall for the liberal b.s. But then again, evil is quite good at what it does.
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So you would have drank the koolaid.....huh.....

i'm buying Kool aid stock considering they must sell so much. i'm surprised they haven't all died out from consuming so much for so long. maybe jones just got a bad batch.
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Is Judaism a religion? Or a nationality?
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Originally Posted by 1%r View Post

Other Religions Kill Too


The Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is a favorite tactic of apologists confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? How about Anders Breivik, the Norwegian killer? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?


The Truth:

Because they don’t have the same problem.

Timothy McVeigh is a good example of how the game works. Since his birth certificate says he was Catholic, Muslim apologists will say that he was a "Christian terrorist." Whatever objections are raised to this (ie. against the teachings) are then said to exonerate Islam as well, since it is also a religion. This is a logical error called a "faulty generalization." It is a conclusion based on insufficient premises.

In reality, details are important. Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not say, McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he stated explicitly that he was agnostic and that "science" was his religion). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for Jesus. His motives are very well documented through interviews and research. God is never mentioned.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members with no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, people do sometimes die in the name of other religions - such as abortion clinic attacks in the US - but consider the scope of the problem. For example, there have been seven deadly clinic attacks over a 44 year period in the U.S. Eleven people died. This is an average of one death every 4 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probablyexceeds five millionover this same period.

Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 innocents in a lone rampage on July 22nd, 2011, was originally misidentified as a "Christian fundamentalist" by the police. In fact, the killings were later determined to be politically motivated. He also left behind a detailed 1500 page manifesto in which he stated that he is not religious, does not know if God exists, and prefers a secular state to a theocracy. Needless to say, he does not quote any Bible verses that support his killing spree, nor did he shout "praise the Lord" as he picked people off.

In the last ten years, there have been perhaps a few dozen attacks in which death occurred at the hands of outliers motivated by a religion other than Islam (see GTD). Such a small handful of loners acting in isolation can legitimately be chalked up to mental illness or (at best) genuine misunderstanding.

By contrast, Islamic terror is organized and methodical. Islamist groups span the globe with tens of thousands of dedicated members, despite intensely targeted counter-measures. Supporters number in the tens of millions. They are open about their religious goals and they kill in the name of Allah each and every day of the year. Verses in their holy texts arguably support them. There are no video debates where they are challenged on theology by "moderates."

No other religion is doing this. So, while some Muslims may pretend that other religions are just as prone to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, reality says otherwise.
The truth is christians killed thousands upon thousands because others didn’t agree with them just like the muzzies. The truth is the Catholic Church loves little kids just like muzzies.
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The truth is christians killed thousands upon thousands because others didn’t agree with them just like the muzzies. The truth is the Catholic Church loves little kids just like muzzies.
Thousands upon thousands/? Crusades?
And the Catholic kiddie thing. No advocating it. It was a black eye on the Church.. Worse was the way the Church tried to hide it.
But why does everyone focus on Catholics, and not other Christian based religions? Hmm..
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The truth is christians killed thousands upon thousands because others didn’t agree with them just like the muzzies. The truth is the Catholic Church loves little kids just like muzzies.
Exactly what/when are you referring? If you're referring to the Crusades, you should really probably try reading a book.
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Thousands upon thousands/? Crusades?
And the Catholic kiddie thing. No advocating it. It was a black eye on the Church.. Worse was the way the Church tried to hide it.
But why does everyone focus on Catholics, and not other Christian based religions? Hmm..

It seems the baptists like little kids also. As more of the kiddie stuff is coming to light it may not just be a catholic problem and more so a religious problem in general.
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Exactly what/when are you referring? If you're referring to the Crusades, you should really probably try reading a book.

Why do I need to read a book?
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It seems the baptists like little kids also. As more of the kiddie stuff is coming to light it may not just be a catholic problem and more so a religious problem in general.
It a Human problem. Christianity Does Not tech or condone this. The Catholic Church failed to take action on its problems.
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It a Human problem. Christianity Does Not tech or condone this. The Catholic Church failed to take action on its problems.

It is a human problem but seem pretty prevalent in the church and the church seems to condone it.
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Originally Posted by shane p
Do what you need to. I am focused on islam, they have some things in common with christians that many like to ignore. Islam is a religion and needs wiped off the face of the earth.
So if Islam has commonalities like as you imply to Christianity and needs to be wiped from the face of the earth sure makes you a peaceful atheist unlike religion huh? Hypocritical dufus.

I will wait for you to point to the exact verse of the Bible wherein Jesus said or is quoted to have said kill maim or destroy others. You wont-that is Lucifers job. When Christians do wrong such as kill others for reasons other than defense of self or defense of another it is called sin, which separates man from God. When Islamists kill infidels it is called following the Quran. You might want to consider which side your gonna choose. Eventually everyone will have to.
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So if Islam has commonalities like as you imply to Christianity and needs to be wiped from the face of the earth sure makes you a peaceful atheist unlike religion huh? Hypocritical dufus.

I will wait for you to point to the exact verse of the Bible wherein Jesus said or is quoted to have said kill maim or destroy others. You wont-that is Lucifers job. When Christians do wrong such as kill others for reasons other than defense of self or defense of another it is called sin, which separates man from God. When Islamists kill infidels it is called following the Quran. You might want to consider which side your gonna choose. Eventually everyone will have to.

Im not pointing out anything in the bible, like I said in a different thread christians better start buying AK47s rather than bibles in these **** hole countries because the muzzies are killing them and their bibles arent doing them much good. Its kill or be killed, I would say that is self defense.
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At the OP's original question...it all depends on what one's definition of "Religion" is. At the risk of validating Bible by using Bible verses, James wrote that "True religion, undefiled, is this: to visit the widows and fatherless in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world"...

If one accepts THAT definition as valid (I certainly don't have a problem with it), than it would be quite consistent to say that Islam is NOT a "Religion" within the context of the definition provided in the Bible...

However...the more commonly-held definition of religion in larger society (and I won't bother with whatever the Websterian/dictionary definition is) is any activity that a person or group of persons participate in that is directed at establishing or continuing a relationship with what that person or persons hold as their God, and this can apply whether said person or persons believe in any sort of deity or not...

When I was a kid, my parents would often refer to churchgoing people as being "very religious". We didn't attend church, my parents smoked, drank, and cussed up a storm inside the house, and certainly didn't see themselves that way, so to them anybody that went to church and/or didn't smoke/drink/cuss was defined as "religious"...

Atheists and strident Darwinian evolutionists often spend as much time pursuing and studying their particular systems of belief as many Muslim, Jewish, and Christian believers do, and will engage with almost any deist in fierce argument in order to defend what they believe, so given the common definition of "religion" it would be easy to argue that they are "religious". Religious is as religious does, after all...

And when I myself started studying the Bible in my early twenties, it didn't take long for me to realize that while living the Christian life might cause one to acquire the trappings of religion, religion and/or religiosity was most assuredly NOT what the God of the Bible is after from His followers. Jesus is recorded throughout the Gospels as having constantly been at odds with the Pharisees, who were identified by their adherence to Jewish religious customs, and He repeatedly castigated and chastised them for their hypocrisy...as if to indicate that what is in a person's heart is at least as important as that which they do in a repetitious fashion to somehow prove their devotion. He told Nicodemus (a Pharisee himself) that "Unless a man be born again, he shall not see the Kingdom of Heaven"-that an inward transformation of one's character needed to occur, or all the religious behavior that a person could muster would be pointless...

Islam seems not to teach this principle...the emphasis is on a constant, never-ending, repeated practice of the articles of "The religion", prayer 5x daily, the pilgrimages to Mecca, etc., etc., ad nauseum. So, by the Biblical definition, Islam would NOT be categorized as religion, because its emphasis is not on its adherents first taking care of each other and then at the less-fortunate in the world around it, but rather to spread Islamic doctrine throughout the world by whatever means are available. Since no Islamic country has the military means at present to effectively oppose those of western ("Christian") nations, Muslims instead attempt to achieve their ends either by the intimidation that comes from terrorism or through deceptively inserting themselves into societies that wouldn't otherwise accept them. Dearborn and Minneapolis are present examples...

For those that claim that Muslims, Jews, and Christians "believe in the same God", I would submit that even in Old Testament times the Hebrew God did not direct His people to expand their borders beyond the territory that he initially had set aside for them to occupy, and that is still true today. Jews and Christians find themselves fighting wars defending themselves from Muslim aggression and intimidation, because Muslims have a decidedly different opinion about how THEIR God wants them to conduct their affairs-they believe that they are to subjugate the entire planet in the name of Islam, whereas Christians are instructed to spread their faith to those who would believe and "shake the dust off their feet" at any who would not...

And I would conclude with this- that there IS a God whose will and whim governs this Universe. Jesus was crucified for making the claim that He was this God, having been accused by His Jewish persecutors of blasphemy. John's Revelation states that one day on this Earth "every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord". I am absolutely convinced that one day that WILL happen. "Religion" won't matter when it finally does...

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islam and the catholic church in its heyday have much in common: CONVERT OR DIE........both have murdered millions.

without the Reformation, the ******* catholic church would be the same today.

i completely despise them both.

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and no, islam is not a religion: its a death cult whose basic existence is to expand by force and deceit.
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islam and the catholic church in its heyday have much in common: CONVERT OR DIE........both have murdered millions.

without the Reformation, the ******* catholic church would be the same today.

i completely despise them both.
Damn, good thing we live in the USA. You dont have to follow any religion unless you want too..
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