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Old 06-12-2019, 09:12 AM
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It looks like the fire was way worst than what was reported 10 years ago. I hope there are backups somewhere in family vaults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/u...rsal-fire.html

A New York Times investigation has revealed that decades of Universal Music Group treasures burned in 2008.

At the time, the company said that the blaze had destroyed the theme park’s “King Kong” attraction and a video vault that contained only copies of old works.

But, according to an article published on Tuesday by The New York Times Magazine, the fire also tore through an archive housing treasured audio recordings, amounting to what the piece described as “the biggest disaster in the history of the music business.”
The list of artists affected spans decades of popular music. It includes recordings by Ray Charles, B.B. King, the Four Tops, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, Elton John, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Aerosmith, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Guns N’ Roses, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.
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It looks like the fire was way worst than what was reported 10 years ago. I hope there are backups somewhere in family vaults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/u...rsal-fire.html
If they don't have digital offsite backups they are absolute idiots that deserve to lose it all.

I mean ****, this ain't brain surgery. You can do this with Google Drive these days.

Edit- just realized the fire was 2008. Ok, maybe not Google drive then....but professional offsite storage was still widely available then. You would think....

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If they don't have digital offsite backups they are absolute idiots that deserve to lose it all.

I mean ****, this ain't brain surgery. You can do this with Google Drive these days.

Edit- just realized the fire was 2008. Ok, maybe not Google drive then....but professional offsite storage was still widely available then. You would think....
It's sad, if accurate, that the IT guys didn't make copies for off-site storage of these American treasures.

I worked for a company that discontinued the off-site storage procedure I setup years earlier. I found the backups being stored in the data center and raised holy hell. I don't know how the company would have recovered from a fire.
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It's sad, if accurate, that the IT guys didn't make copies for off-site storage of these American treasures.

I worked for a company that discontinued the off-site storage procedure I setup years earlier. I found the backups being stored in the data center and raised holy hell. I don't know how the company would have recovered from a fire.
Around Y2K I worked for a very small software shop. Both the CEO and CTO kept backups at home as well as the other standard measures. There really is simply no excuse for not having at least something.
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The list of artists affected spans decades of popular music. It includes recordings by Ray Charles, B.B. King, the Four Tops, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, Elton John, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Aerosmith, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Guns N’ Roses, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.

No Country and Western were destroyed so we're OK.

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I remember that King Kong ride !
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Out of the 36 listed only 11 are worth saving, IMO of course.
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The list of artists affected spans decades of popular music. It includes recordings by Ray Charles, B.B. King, the Four Tops, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, Elton John, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Aerosmith, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Guns N’ Roses, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.

No Country and Western were destroyed so we're OK.
I'm willing to go to great lengths to destroy any country music created after 1987.
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Originally Posted by 68/70Vette View Post
The list of artists affected spans decades of popular music. It includes recordings by Ray Charles, B.B. King, the Four Tops, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, Elton John, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Aerosmith, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Guns N’ Roses, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.

No Country and Western were destroyed so we're OK.
But it wasn't listed as a historical loss either.......
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You guys claiming there should have been many other copies, well just the ones in public domain......to duplicate all them old analogue recordings takes the time to play every one of them while maybe a dozen copies are made......trick is, there are 50 billion recordings out there.....

My BIL used to work at Library of Conngress, Wash DC, and in the music division, which like books/etc are stored and PRESERVED for future.......much harder than you think, back in them daze (he died in '86) they were transcribing old LP records, on to very large tapes, which also deteriorated.....

so the efforts to preserve ANY MUSIC are much more difficult when it's OLD recordings....

obviously modern recordings are all dig it all today.....so letter RIP!!! 50 billion copies in one nanosecond....
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The list of artists affected spans decades of popular music. It includes recordings by Ray Charles, B.B. King, the Four Tops, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, Elton John, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Aerosmith, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Guns N’ Roses, Mary J. Blige, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.
Never heard of 'em....






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Also, since these were the master tapes, I am thinking that in addition to the mixed master, they might also have saved the unmixed original masters. And depending on the number of tracks on the original recording equipment, there would be a variety of tape formats, plus overdub recordings, etc. (All of which would also depend on the age of the original recording, and the technology of the time.)

Ideally, you'd want to preserve everything for a given song, which would be much more complicated than just digitizing the two-channel final mix.....
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I'm willing to go to great lengths to destroy any country music created after 1987.
Count me in for Bee Gees (not pre-Disco though), Donna Summer, etc....

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Don't give a **** about Cher.
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Originally Posted by KenHorse View Post
Count me in for Bee Gees (not pre-Disco though), Donna Summer, etc....
One month shy of the 40th anniversary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
If they don't have digital offsite backups they are absolute idiots that deserve to lose it all.

I mean ****, this ain't brain surgery. You can do this with Google Drive these days.

Edit- just realized the fire was 2008. Ok, maybe not Google drive then....but professional offsite storage was still widely available then. You would think....

Really? A digital back up of a master tape? What the hell would anyone do with that?!?!? Digital. Priceless. Geez.
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