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Trump Wants To Limit Aid For Low-Income Americans. A Look At His Proposals


June 11, 201910:12 AM ET







Harlem residents choose free groceries at the Food Bank For New York City in 2013. A number of new rules and actions proposed by the Trump administration could affect poor or low-income people who use government safety net programs.


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If you're poor or low-income in the U.S. and use government safety net programs, you could be affected by a number of new rules and actions proposed by the Trump administration. Most of the changes are still pending, and anti-poverty groups are trying to stop them from going into effect. Some of the proposals already face legal challenges.

President Trump has said repeatedly that he wants to get more people off government aid and into the workforce so they can become self-sufficient. To help do that, he issued an executive order last year to reduce poverty "by promoting opportunity and economic mobility."

In it, Trump called on federal agencies to streamline existing welfare programs, strengthen work requirements and make sure that taxpayer money is spent on "those who are truly in need."

But anti-poverty advocates say the administration's proposals would hurt, rather than help, poor Americans. They say it will make it more difficult for those trying to become self-sufficient by denying them food, housing and medical assistance when they need it most.

"They really are trying to use every agency to make life harder for people who are low-income," says Elizabeth Lower-Basch, director of income and work supports at the Center for Law and Social Policy.

Deborah Weinstein, executive director of the Coalition on Human Needs, which represents about 100 anti-poverty groups nationwide, calls the volume of proposals targeting the safety net "head spinning."

Here are some of the main proposals and their status:

Food aid





  • The Department of Agriculture has called for stricter enforcement of a requirement that able-bodied adults work, volunteer or get job training for at least 20 hours a week to continue getting their Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, or food stamps, after three months. Currently, most states waive that requirement. The administration would make that much more difficult to do. Critics estimate that 750,000 SNAP recipients would likely have their benefits cut off because they would be unable to find jobs or otherwise meet the requirements. The public comment period on the proposal ended April 10 and attracted more than 100,000 comments, overwhelmingly negative.





  • The Department of Agriculture is weighing a rule to make it harder for people to qualify for both SNAP and other welfare assistance. Currently, states have the flexibility to waive asset and income limits for those who get both food stamps and benefits from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Anti-poverty advocates argue that changing that would penalize hundreds of thousands of working poor families by taking away their food aid just as they start earning enough to pay for other living expenses, such as child care and housing. But supporters of the proposal say states are exploiting a loophole in the law to give aid to those who would otherwise be ineligible. It is unclear exactly what the administration will propose and when. The rule has yet to be published in the Federal Register.
Payday loans




  • The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has proposed rescinding an Obama-era regulation that would require payday lenders to determine whether a borrower has the ability to repay the loan. That regulation, which the Trump administration has delayed until next year, was intended to prevent low-income borrowers from becoming saddled with ballooning debt because payday loans can carry annual interest rates of 300% or more. Consumer advocates say low-income individuals often have to take out new payday loans to pay off earlier ones. The Trump administration argues that rescinding the Obama-era rule will encourage more competition in the industry and provide more options for borrowers. The public comment period on the proposed change closed May 15. It is unclear when a final rule will be issued.
Poverty line
  • The Office of Management and Budget is considering whether to recalculate the official poverty line using a different inflation measure, one that many economists say would paint a more accurate picture of the price increases that consumers face. But critics say the change would not reflect how inflation affects low- and moderate-income families and, over time, would lead to millions of people seeing their government benefits such as SNAP, Medicaid, energy assistance and school lunches reduced or eliminated. The Obama and George W. Bush administrations tried to make a similar change in the poverty line calculation with no luck. Thepublic comment period ends June 21.
Immigration





  • The Department of Homeland Security has proposed limiting the ability of immigrants to get green cards if they receive government benefits, such as SNAP or housing aid. The administration says it is enforcing existing law, which seeks to block immigrants who could need assistance and become a "public charge." But immigrants' rights groups say the proposed change would affect not only immigrants but also family members who are U.S. citizens. Social service providers around the country report that they have already seen a big drop in immigrant families signing up for assistance, including Medicaid and SNAP, because of fears that it could hurt their efforts to get green cards or become citizens. The comment period on the proposed rule ended in December. More than a quarter of a million comments were received, mostly opposed to the change. It is unclear when the final rule will be issued.
  • President Trump signed a memorandum May 23 calling on federal agencies to enforce a law requiring those who sponsor green card holders to reimburse government agencies for the cost of any public benefits used by the immigrant. The administration says the law has not been fully enforced. "To protect benefits for American citizens, immigrants must be financially self-sufficient," Trump said in a statement announcing the move. Immigrants' rights advocates say the announcement is part of a larger campaign by the Trump administration to restrict both legal and illegal immigration, and that the change will discourage green card holders from applying for benefits for which they or other family members are eligible.
Housing





  • The Department of Housing and Urban Development has proposed a rule that would deny housing assistance to families with one or more members who are undocumented immigrants. The administration notes that those in the country illegally are not eligible for housing aid, although HUD now prorates rental assistance for such "mixed status" families to take that into account. By HUD's own estimate, 55,000 children who are either citizens or legal residents could lose their housing as a result of the move. Critics call the proposal "cruel" and are waging a vigorous campaign to block it. HUD Secretary Ben Carson defended it, saying that "it seems only logical that taxpaying American citizens should be taken care of first" and that the change would provide more aid for needy Americans. However, HUD's own analysis concludes that the rule would lead to fewer people getting housing aid and to an increase in homelessness. The public comment period for the proposed rule runs through July 9, but House Democrats are trying to prevent HUD from enforcing such a rule.
  • The Agriculture Department is expected to propose a rule later this year similar to HUD's proposal, to restrict the use of rural housing assistance for households that have one or more members who are undocumented immigrants.
  • HUD has proposed that the operators of federally funded homeless shelters be allowed to determine which services transgender individuals can use. Operators could base their decisions on their religious beliefs, among other factors. Critics say that if the rule is adopted, transgender individuals could be kicked out of shelters or forced to use ones that serve a gender they do not identify with. Carson had assured lawmakers at a congressional hearing May 21 that he did not anticipate eliminating Obama-era rules that protect transgender individuals from housing discrimination, and lawmakers were angry to see the proposed rule on a list published by the administration the following day. Details of the rule are expected to be made public later this year for comment. About 1 in 5 transgender individuals experiences homelessness at some point in their life, according to the National Center for Transgender Equality.
Medicaid work requirement





  • The administration has approved waivers allowing eight states to impose work requirements on Medicaid recipients, although legal challenges have blocked such efforts in Kentucky and Arkansas. The administration argues that the requirement will encourage people to join the workforce, but opponents say that instead it will deny low-income families much-needed medical aid. About 18,000 Arkansas residents lost their Medicaid coverage when the work requirements went into effect in that state last year.
Census citizenship question





  • Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has proposed adding a question to the 2020 census asking whether an individual is a U.S. citizen. The administration says that it needs the information to help enforce the Voting Rights Act, but opponents believe that the real motive is to diminish minority representation. Civil rights groups argue that the question will discourage immigrant and noncitizen households from participating in the census. The result would be an undercount, especially in areas with large immigrant populations. Opponents of the change say low-income communities would be harmed because the census numbers are used to allocate hundreds of billions of dollars in federal aid, including many safety net benefits. They've challenged the citizenship question in court. The case is now before the U.S. Supreme Court, which is expected to rule in June.
Overtime pay
  • The Department of Labor has proposed increasing the wage level below which workers would automatically be eligible for overtime pay on time worked over 40 hours a week. The Trump administration would raise the current $23,660 a year threshold to $35,308, which would make an estimated 1 million more workers eligible for overtime. However, the Trump proposal would replace an Obama-era rule that would have increased the level to $47,476 and covered four times as many workers. That plan has been blocked in court, in part because of strong opposition from small businesses, which say it would impose a big financial burden. The public comment period on the Trump proposal ends June 12.

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I have determined the best way to determine if a person is abusing the "Welfare System" is to visit a Mal Wart .
When you see adults pushing 2-3 shopping carts filled with high dollar items....then pay for it with .gov freebie cards OR cash....
then go to the parking lot and load it and their 5 kids all into their $65,000 SUV. with the cardboard Temp-Tag in the rear window...........

You should also visit the Local Free Heathcare Clinic...the majority of vehicles in the dedicated parking will more than likely equal or exceed in value the vehicle you are driving.

Let's not even talk about the local "Social" Security Office, Orthodontist, etc. where the adult has 5-6 different S.S. cards in their wallet. while the receptionist rolls her eyes waiting for the adult to decide which card they will use at THIS visit.

Chances are......the taxpayer is getting the bill.
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Guess some of the fools haven't heard that the is a shortage of people for jobs. Yet they want to make sure people don't have to work if they are able.
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I have determined the best way to determine if a person is abusing the "Welfare System" is to visit a Mal Wart .
When you see adults pushing 2-3 shopping carts filled with high dollar items....then pay for it with .gov freebie cards OR cash....
then go to the parking lot and load it and their 5 kids all into their $65,000 SUV. with the cardboard Temp-Tag in the rear window...........

You should also visit the Local Free Heathcare Clinic...the majority of vehicles in the dedicated parking will more than likely equal or exceed in value the vehicle you are driving.

Let's not even talk about the local "Social" Security Office, Orthodontist, etc. where the adult has 5-6 different S.S. cards in their wallet. while the receptionist rolls her eyes waiting for the adult to decide which card they will use at THIS visit.

Chances are......the taxpayer is getting the bill.
See it all the time down here in South Texas. Sow shops at HEB with her four youngest kids in tow, 1, 2, 3, 4, gets a couple of baskets full of groceries, pays with Lone Star card (food stamps) and then goes out and gets into a new Suburban.
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There will always be some fraud. Anything on there about cutting corporate welfare ?
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There will always be some fraud. Anything on there about cutting corporate welfare ?
End corporate welfare
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End all corporate taxation
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There will always be some fraud. Anything on there about cutting corporate welfare ?
What do you consider corporate welfare?
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There will always be some fraud. Anything on there about cutting corporate welfare ?

"Some" fraud?

NYC Mayor di Blasio's wife can't fully account for the $800M provided to her mental health program initiative. Does that qualify as "some"?

Start by demanding greater accountability for gov't programs before deflecting onto something unrelated.
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Originally Posted by juanvaldez View Post
See it all the time down here in South Texas. Sow shops at HEB with her four youngest kids in tow, 1, 2, 3, 4, gets a couple of baskets full of groceries, pays with Lone Star card (food stamps) and then goes out and gets into a new Suburban.
There's a Suburban just destined to get KEYED.

All it will take is the wrong person interpreting what just happened in the grocery store.

Can't happen soon enough.
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Cut all of it and let the churches and non profits feed, clothe and house them. They develop a work ethic real quick.
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I think anyone driving a Cadillac Escapade, Lexus, etc.. should be banned from being eligible for food stamps. That should cut the abuse at least 25%.
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I think anyone driving a Cadillac Escapade, Lexus, etc.. should be banned from being eligible for food stamps. That should cut the abuse at least 25%.
1990 Lexus LS 400 is worth 3500 to 5000.. might want to put qualifiers on that..
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The bottom line is, there is a lack of accountability across a very wide spectrum. From the "I made poor choices in life" loser, to the perfectly failed system.

Being on welfare should be a hand-up, not a hand-out. And after a certain period of time, being on welfare should become a total embarrassment. Not a lifestyle passed down from generation to generation where being on welfare is like having a job without ever having to lift a finger.
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I was in line at wal mart and a woman with 4 kids was buying groceries with snap. Three kids under 12 had I phones out. She loaded her groceries into a newer dodge charger with whipple super charger sign in rear window.
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There will always be some fraud. Anything on there about cutting corporate welfare ?
Define corporate welfare.

If you actually try, you will discover that is a liberal myth.
Business expenses are deductible, always have been, always will be.
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Define corporate welfare.

If you actually try, you will discover that is a liberal myth.
Business expenses are deductible, always have been, always will be.


we need to resist the liberal propaganda....makers need to take back control of America from the takers...
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we need to resist the liberal propaganda....makers need to take back control of America from the takers...
Deceptive propaganda is exactly what it is.
One of my favorites is depreciation for certain things. The leftist will spin this into a giveaway claim. The truth is forcing a company to capitalize and then depreciate an expense, is a tax increase, not a freebie.

Robert Reich is one of the worst offenders when is come to this topic. He is so full of ****, I cant tell if he's an agent working against America or if he's just stupid (think AOC).

He has an hour long show on Netflix where he rails against one of these "corporate welfare" giveaways, and towards the end of it, if you listen close, you find out he is complaining about the deductibility of executive pay. But, he never makes it really clear. You have to listen really close because if he just came out and spoke with plain language, then folks would realize how obviously stupid his claim is. Guess what, paying someone is an expense. He literally is advocating for taxing an expense. Its laughable really. Except the dumbass leftists swallow it hook line and sinker.
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My grocery store executive friend likes to talk about "Johnnies" - that's what they call the guy who a food stamp recipient "shills" for. The "Johnnie" walks around the store picking out nice carts of food items, the food stamp person pays for them at the checkout with EBT and they settle up in the parking lot. The "Johnnie" pays the food stamp person $.50 on the dollar (or another amount) for the groceries' cost.

The "Johnnie" gets a ton of food for 1/2 price and the welfare person gets a cash payout of his/her EBT benefit....it happens a dozen times a day at individual stores. Does this sound like people that are starving ?

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My grocery store executive friend likes to talk about "Johnnies" - that's what they call the guy who a food stamp recipient "shills" for. The "Johnnie" walks around the store picking out nice carts of food items, the food stamp person pays for them at the checkout with EBT and they settle up in the parking lot. The "Johnnie" pays the food stamp person $.50 on the dollar (or another amount) for the groceries' cost.

The "Johnnie" gets a ton of food for 1/2 price and the welfare person gets a cash payout of his/her EBT benefit....it happens a dozen times a day at individual stores. Does this sound like people that are starving ?
That's been going on forever. Its the original food stamp fraud.

It goes back to when food stamps were actually stamps. Possession of the stamps was the only requirement for using them, so an underground market for them emerged.

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Deceptive propaganda is exactly what it is.
One of my favorites is depreciation for certain things. The leftist will spin this into a giveaway claim. The truth is forcing a company to capitalize and then depreciate an expense, is a tax increase, not a freebie.

Robert Reich is one of the worst offenders when is come to this topic. He is so full of ****, I cant tell if he's an agent working against America or if he's just stupid (think AOC).

He has an hour long show on Netflix where he rails against one of these "corporate welfare" giveaways, and towards the end of it, if you listen close, you find out he is complaining about the deductibility of executive pay. But, he never makes it really clear. You have to listen really close because if he just came out and spoke with plain language, then folks would realize how obviously stupid his claim is. Guess what, paying someone is an expense. He literally is advocating for taxing an expense. Its laughable really. Except the dumbass leftists swallow it hook line and sinker.
Yep, the $80,000,000 G5 is a business expense and as such completely deductible.
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