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Old 06-21-2019, 04:16 PM
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Reserves?

What happens if hit by global war, terrorism, natural catastrophe? What if our power grid is taken out?

It's bad enough as it is, it would be catastrophic.

But what about when all cars, trucks, trains, and even airplanes are all electric (if the greenies have their way)? At least now we have a current backup means for transportation and shipping supplies using this.....

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The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency fuel storage of petroleum maintained underground in Louisiana and Texas by the United States Department of Energy (DOE). It is the largest emergency supply in the world, with the capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3).[1] The United States started the petroleum reserve in 1975 after oil supplies were interrupted during the 1973Ė1974 oil embargo, to mitigate future supply disruptions.

The current inventory is displayed on the SPR's website.[2] As of February 1, 2019, the inventory was 649.1 million barrels (103,200,000 m3). This equates to about 35 days of oil at 2013 daily U.S. consumption levels of 18.49 million barrels per day (2,940,000 m3/d)[3] or 67 days of oil at 2013 daily U.S. import levels of 9.859 million barrels per day (1,567,500 m3/d).[4] However, the maximum total withdrawal capability from the SPR is only 4.4 million barrels per day (700,000 m3/d), so it would take over 150 days to use the entire inventory. At recent market prices ($69 a barrel as of December 2014),[5] the SPR holds over $18.0 billion in sweet crudeand approximately $25.5 billion in sour crude (assuming a $15/barrel discount for sulfur content). The total value of the crude in the SPR is approximately $43.5 billion. The price paid for the oil is $20.1 billion (an average of $28.42 per barrel).[6]



If/when we're all electric....what will be the equivalent of this? Has anyone talked or even thought about that?

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One big solar eruption and electric everything could come to a halt.
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We're gong to need a bigger battery...
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We're gong to need a bigger battery...
And a **** ton of coal and gas to charge it....
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Every huge city would very soon run out of every life support necessity with no means for bringing in more, culling the population substantially.
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The November hurricane that blasted the New York City area a few years ago (Isablel??) showed just how good gasoline was when infrastructure broke down and there was no power for gas stations to pump gas. That has been corrected to some extent by requiring stations to have back up generators. However, if there is major damage to our infrastructure and our power grid is seriously damaged, it's a problem and the longer it goes, the more likely having lots of ammunition might make a difference.
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And a **** ton of coal and gas to charge it....
The people pushing the all electric agenda, also don't understand the laws of thermodynamics.
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Our power grids at the present time could not support 10% of our autos being full electric, how in the hell can they ever be big enough to support 100% electric autos?
Oh right, we can all use gas powered generators to charge our all electric vehicles.
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
Reserves?

What happens if hit by global war, terrorism, natural catastrophe? What if our power grid is taken out?

It's bad enough as it is, it would be catastrophic.

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Guaranteed 10 years reserve.
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Originally Posted by X-ZZ4 View Post
Reserves?

What happens if hit by global war, terrorism, natural catastrophe? What if our power grid is taken out?

It's bad enough as it is, it would be catastrophic.

But what about when all cars, trucks, trains, and even airplanes are all electric (if the greenies have their way)? At least now we have a current backup means for transportation and shipping supplies using this.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strate...United_States)

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency fuel storage of petroleum maintained underground in Louisiana and Texas by the United States Department of Energy (DOE). It is the largest emergency supply in the world, with the capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3).[1] The United States started the petroleum reserve in 1975 after oil supplies were interrupted during the 1973Ė1974 oil embargo, to mitigate future supply disruptions.

The current inventory is displayed on the SPR's website.[2] As of February 1, 2019, the inventory was 649.1 million barrels (103,200,000 m3). This equates to about 35 days of oil at 2013 daily U.S. consumption levels of 18.49 million barrels per day (2,940,000 m3/d)[3] or 67 days of oil at 2013 daily U.S. import levels of 9.859 million barrels per day (1,567,500 m3/d).[4] However, the maximum total withdrawal capability from the SPR is only 4.4 million barrels per day (700,000 m3/d), so it would take over 150 days to use the entire inventory. At recent market prices ($69 a barrel as of December 2014),[5] the SPR holds over $18.0 billion in sweet crudeand approximately $25.5 billion in sour crude (assuming a $15/barrel discount for sulfur content). The total value of the crude in the SPR is approximately $43.5 billion. The price paid for the oil is $20.1 billion (an average of $28.42 per barrel).[6]



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Don't worry about it, Citizen. Just OBEY!!!!
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I'm not worried as I know that Musk and AOC is working on it. Only problem is that they might have a solution some 10 years after we have a total black out.

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As mentioned it would be an efficient way to cull a large percentage of the "useless" population, congregated mostly in large cities.
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And a **** ton of coal and gas to charge it....

We burn 18,000 tons of coal every 48 hours to supply electricity for our little city, and we only have two Teslas in town that are plugged in each night. What the hell will we do if we have 100,000 Tesla plugged in every night?

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Iím 46, I donít care. Iíll be dead before we get to that point.
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And a **** ton of coal and gas to charge it....
Nuh uh. Occasional cortex has the solution!


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Iíll survive off of Trumpís energy!

if it gets really bad, I will just take **** from other people.

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We burn 18,000 tons of coal every 48 hours to supply electricity for our little city, and we only have two Teslas in town that are plugged in each night. What the hell will we do if we have 100,000 Tesla plugged in every night?
Dig baby, dig.............
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Originally Posted by vette6799 View Post
The November hurricane that blasted the New York City area a few years ago (Isablel??) showed just how good gasoline was when infrastructure broke down and there was no power for gas stations to pump gas. That has been corrected to some extent by requiring stations to have back up generators. However, if there is major damage to our infrastructure and our power grid is seriously damaged, it's a problem and the longer it goes, the more likely having lots of ammunition might make a difference.
I believe you are talking about Hurricane Sandy. Were you here then? I was. There were a lot of problems, the least of which was gas stations without power.

What Sandy showed everyone that lives here is that if you have a gasoline powered generator that can run most of your house, and a few days supply of gasoline stored at your house, and gas stations open and operating on generators, you'll have power for maybe a week at the most.

That sounds great to most folks, and will cover you in probably 95+% of emergencies you are likely to face in your lifetime. But when you are out for 15 days like I was, I sure wouldn't describe that style of back-up as "how good". Many were out for much longer than I was.

The problem is that the storm damaged things like the main roads into many communities, gasoline distribution depots, the tanker trucks themselves, etc. It was probably a week before any tanker trucks with gas made it back into this area, and we were not the hardest hit. Most stations were out of gas on day 2. Lots here were pretty lucky, most of the major highways were open within a day or two of the storm, so if you could get to one, I heard many stories of people making it to South Jersey and/or Pennsylvania, and getting all the gas they could carry. Many were not lucky.

Again, Sandy was probably a once-in-a-lifetime thing for most of us, but having a gasoline powered generator (like mine) totally sucked in that situation. Some people thought that having a NG powered generator was better, many of them were out if gas in a day because of the gas leaks caused by the storm forced the gas company to shut down huge portions of the NG grid. My boss at the time had a "state-of-the-art" system in his multi-million dollar home. He had power for 6 hours after the storm.

In a situation like Sandy, the only thing that would have helped you would be like the preppers do, a 1000+ gallon propane tank buried on your property.

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Causes me to question why I haven't bought an emergency food survival kit as of yet. I figured the guns and ammo would get me anything I needed.
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What if gasoline supplies were cut off. Horses can eat grass growing anywhere.
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