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Old 06-28-2019, 01:18 PM
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What !! No Libtards today ??????
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:28 PM
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We need to keep everything exactly as it is, there is no room for change!
I think everybody is fine with change, so long as it's a change for the better and not the worse. Sometimes the status quo is absolutely favorable to shitty changes. That's what "progressives" don't seem to get. Change for the sake of change makes for terrible policy.
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Simple, these folks are already getting "free" care through emergency rooms. Now they will get "free" care though a clinic or something. Anything is cheaper than taking your kid to the emergency room for a runny nose.
You've said it yourself earlier, why would they change their behavior? There's no incentive, they get free healthcare either way. They'll still take them to the ER and they'll still get healthcare.

Stay consistent.
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Simple, these folks are already getting "free" care through emergency rooms. Now they will get "free" care though a clinic or something. Anything is cheaper than taking your kid to the emergency room for a runny nose.
Build the wall... send them home for their care. This will just create another incentive for them to take massive risks to get here, resulting in more dead parents and kids.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:54 PM
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Build the wall... send them home for their care. This will just create another incentive for them to take massive risks to get here, resulting in more dead parents and kids.
Dead wetba . . . illegal aliens, the horror!
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Dead wetba . . . illegal aliens, the horror!
It is horrific... the see a father and his little girl drowned. I have a 3 year old girl so it hits home... to be that desperate to take that kind of risks with your children.
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It is horrific... the see a father and his little girl drowned. I have a 3 year old girl so it hits home... to be that desperate to take that kind of risks with your children.
He was middle class back in El Salvidor. He wasn't starving he just want more. By that standard most of the folks in Central America could move here.
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Gary, you do an awesome job of saying "HELLO! Stand up and be real men!"

We knew they were all betas anyway!
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Originally Posted by GARYFINN View Post
Well the table is set Free Healthcare,Daycare ,College ,Confiscation of Guns,Open Borders and Gov't control of just about everything versus The Free Enterprise System which made us The Greatest Country That Ever Was.Whats at stake couldn't be clearer .Forum libs join in and tell us how you defend this assault on the very fabric of what made this country great.

What Say You
imo NOT an either or choice between capitalism and socialism or communism
We have evolved since the Industrial Revolution into a hybrid system because
the rewards and abuses of capitalism demanded it.
Adam Smith or Karl Marx ? neither

politicians on BOTH sides promise all sorts of things because talk is cheap.
CLASSIC example: the BS during the debate of giving every American a $1000 UNTIL somebody actually did the Math and the trillions it would co$t. Same is going to start unraveling the other
"promisers" including the incumbent. I don't want things to change, because i like everything the way it is. Unfortunately no candidate EVER PROMISES ME THAT! Too bad the FCC doesn't require a scroll during debates that reminds viewers:There is no such thing as a free lunch and that consumers PAY when we have high tariffs.
2020 :GRUMPY OLD MEN 2 or OLD AND ODD COUPLE or The GOLDEN BOYS ?
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I have a question. If the illegals are going to get free healthcare, why should I have to pay for healthcare for my wife and myself? Why should someone who broke our laws by entering this country illegally get better treatment than someone who was born here and has played by the rules?
Paging Gavin Newsom - We are going to have that in Cali
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Old 06-28-2019, 07:20 PM
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imo NOT an either or choice between capitalism and socialism or communism
We have evolved since the Industrial Revolution into a hybrid system because
the rewards and abuses of capitalism demanded it.
Adam Smith or Karl Marx ? neither

politicians on BOTH sides promise all sorts of things because talk is cheap.
CLASSIC example: the BS during the debate of giving every American a $1000 UNTIL somebody actually did the Math and the trillions it would co$t. Same is going to start unraveling the other
"promisers" including the incumbent. I don't want things to change, because i like everything the way it is. Unfortunately no candidate EVER PROMISES ME THAT! Too bad the FCC doesn't require a scroll during debates that reminds viewers:There is no such thing as a free lunch and that consumers PAY when we have high tariffs.
2020 :GRUMPY OLD MEN 2 or OLD AND ODD COUPLE or The GOLDEN BOYS ?
You're not paying attention are you.
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They don't want socialism, they want a welfare state. Everything they propose is fundamentally hinged on having a strong econony to steal from.
No, as some people point out, they want a "plantation". Where a very few people (namely them) live a life of luxury at the expense of the masses, locked in the chains of dependency of them tossing table scraps at them when they are in a good mood. We tried slavery once, it doesn't work. Look at any civilization in history that embraces perversion as "normal", and you'll notice one certain thing about them: every single one is a 'former civilization'.

Liberals, and everything they are doing leads to failure, oppression, slavery, and misery. Our founding fathers warned us about the domestic enemy, well, liberals are the ones that they were talking about.
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You're not paying attention are you.
what?
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Because you have nice things, i.e. things to lose. When you have nothing to lose you go to an ER for healthcare, who cares about the bill. You drive without insurance, why not. What can they take.

You cannot afford to be poor.

It's crazy, we don't feed wild animals because we don't want them to be dependent but we sure as hell do it with people. It's too late, this country is gone. You ever watch the Sopranos? The first scene where Tony is talking to Dr. Melfi, he talks about how he feels like he got in at the end. That's where we are in this country.
Yep...
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What !! No Libtards today ??????
I heard that they are waiting to see what Taylor Swift and Cher think before they comment......
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder View Post
Trump will win 2020... but after that it's over. The pendulum will swing the other way and that's it.
Not sure I'm ready to agree. I understand that he's unlike anyone before, and there's really no one at the moment who brings what he does to the table, but he HAS fundamentally changed the debate, and woke up a lot of sleeping people on the right.

I don't see anyone currently in the politics game that would pick up where he leaves off, but Trump has caused America to be open to the idea of an outsider who loves the country and isn't afraid of controversy or a fight. I suspect future Republicans will (at least try to) follow in his footsteps, the same way they did with Reagan...I just hope more successfully.

We on the right bitched a lot, but we damn sure spent 30 years voting for politicians that gave little more than lip service to our ideals. Trump changed the game, and expectations have been raised. I don't think we'd settle for another Romney or McCain at this point, and probably not for several elections after he leaves office.
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Not sure I'm ready to agree. I understand that he's unlike anyone before, and there's really no one at the moment who brings what he does to the table, but he HAS fundamentally changed the debate, and woke up a lot of sleeping people on the right.

I don't see anyone currently in the politics game that would pick up where he leaves off, but Trump has caused America to be open to the idea of an outsider who loves the country and isn't afraid of controversy or a fight. I suspect future Republicans will (at least try to) follow in his footsteps, the same way they did with Reagan...I just hope more successfully.

We on the right bitched a lot, but we damn sure spent 30 years voting for politicians that gave little more than lip service to our ideals. Trump changed the game, and expectations have been raised. I don't think we'd settle for another Romney or McCain at this point, and probably not for several elections after he leaves office.


And well said.
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It is horrific... the see a father and his little girl drowned. I have a 3 year old girl so it hits home... to be that desperate to take that kind of risks with your children.
Desperate to get free stuff from the American taxpayer.
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You've said it yourself earlier, why would they change their behavior? There's no incentive, they get free healthcare either way. They'll still take them to the ER and they'll still get healthcare.

Stay consistent.
Exactly. My wife sees this day in and day out in the ER, “Why haven’t you followed up with your Doctor?” “I have no time for that, they want you to make appointments and I can just come here...”

And of course they are demanding as hell to top it off.

For those patients it makes no difference, the out of pocket is zero either way. I have to pay a 250 deductible when I go to the ER, I don’t got unless it’s an emergency. And I have stellar insurance. Lol

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I heard that they are waiting to see what Taylor Swift and Cher think before they comment......
I was thinking more Madonna.
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