Go Back  CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion > Off Topic > Politics, Religion & Controversy
Reload this Page >

With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political

Notices
Politics, Religion & Controversy Politics | Religion | Controversy (Non-Corvette)

With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political

 
Old 07-10-2019, 11:46 AM
  #1  
BenThere
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
BenThere's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2008
Location: Chandler, AZ It's a Dry Heat.
Posts: 16,508
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political

Hmmmm....

With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political


July 10, 20197:15 AM ET


BRAKKTON BOOKER







Philip Smith is the president and founder of the National African American Gun Association. Since its creation in 2015, the group has seen rapid growth with roughly 30,000 members and 75 chapters nationwide.


Lynsey Weatherspoon for NPR
The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them.

Some see the group as an alternative to the National Rifle Association for black gun owners, but it has some notable differences. Organizers say it is a civil rights organization that aims to build community and promote self-protection.

Since its creation in 2015, the group has seen rapid growth with roughly 30,000 members and 75 chapters nationwide. Leaders expect another 25 chapters by next year.

Overall, 4 in 10 Americans say there is a firearm in their household, according to a 2017 study by Pew Research Center. Broken down by race, 24% of African Americans say they personally own a gun, compared with 36% of whites and 15% of Hispanics.

"Black folks and guns usually get a negative stereotype reaction like: 'What is that guy doing with a gun?' " says Philip Smith, the president and founder of the group.




Michael Doyle (left), Casandra Light and Colin Mapp prepare to shoot and review their targets in a gun range in Atlanta.

Membership spiked after President Trump was sworn into office, Smith says, attributing some of that growth to a political climate where people with racist views feel emboldened to talk about and act on those views.

Some in the organization say it is time to have a larger platform. Executives in the group are mulling whether to form a political action committee that would raise money and back candidates sympathetic with the cause. The primary focus of the PAC, though, would be to work on solutions between black gun owners and the police.

"Does law enforcement, or more importantly larger society, view black men with firearms in a certain way? Let's have that discussion," Smith Says. "That's a hard discussion, but that's a discussion we need, as an organization, to be involved with."




Colin Mapp examines his target in the gun range. About 24% of African Americans said they own guns according to 2017 study by Pew Research Center.


Smith and others are quick to point out that the group is supportive of law enforcement, but also make the case that carrying a gun while black can have deadly consequences.

The group talks often about Philando Castile who was shot and killed by police in 2016 after he was pulled over in St. Paul, Minn., for a broken taillight.

During the stop, Castile told the officer he was licensed to carry a firearm and as he reached for his wallet, per the officers' request, he was shot.

There was also Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La., in 2016 and EJ Bradford in Hoover, Alabama in 2018.

It's impossible to know what role being black played in those incidents, but for Smith, "My job, and it's a very long-term wish, is to change that socialization process where [when] people see a black guy or a black woman walking with a gun, they won't automatically say, 'He or she is a thug' or 'He or she is doing something illegal.' "




NAAGA president Philip Smith and Davis Nelson, a member of the Atlanta chapter, talk in the show room of Stoddard's Range and Guns. Smith and others in the organization say the group is supportive of law enforcement. But also points out that carrying a gun while black can be seen as threatening by others, including police.


On the group's name, some members call it "NAAG" for short.

Others use all the letters in the acronym: N-A-A-G-A, which, when said out loud, sounds similar to a specific racial slur. Smith says people have had a problem with the name since he started the group, "Some people thought it was offensive. I thought, and still do think, there's kind of an edge to it."

Division On A Shift To Politics

In a sunlit lounge at a midtown Atlanta shooting range, a handful of NAAGA members get together to shoot, but also talk.

Their discussion spans from whether there is, indeed, a need for an Afrocentric gun organization, to deadly incidents involving police and African-Americans, to white nationalism in the U.S.

Casandra Light, 23, wears a black t-shirt with pink lettering that reads: "I carry a [image of a handgun] because my [image of a military-style rifle] won't fit in my purse." She says she is wary of a shift into politics.




"One of the main things we're trying to do is change the perspective of black gun ownership into a positive mindset," Casandra Light says.


"One of the main things we're trying to do is change the perspective of black gun ownership into a positive mindset," Light says. She says she worries that if NAAGA forms a PAC, some may think the group is radical, driving members away. "I would hate to see that happen," she says.

"I think if the organization wants to maintain the openness that we have to everyone regardless of their race, gender, political affiliation," Light says, "we also need to be careful about having a political stance because it's real easy for that to get blown out of proportion."

Michael Doyle, one of a handful of white members of the Atlanta chapter, said the shift is inevitable.




Michael Doyle is one of the Atlanta chapter's few white members.


"The colors of our skin is politicized, sadly. Gun ownership is politicized, sadly," Doyle says.

"The idea that an African-American gun association would be blithely silent on matters of race and gun ownership, would be absurd."

Monica Neal, an Army veteran who says she "got serious" about firearms training and self-defense after her divorce, thinks NAAGA elevating its voice might bring more gun owners out of the shadows and into the organization.

"When others see that we're for protection and for gun ownership, I think it would maybe more than likely increase our numbers," Neal said.

Phil Smith, the national president, says the organization's executive team is discussing if and when to launch the PAC. Once group leaders come to a conclusion, the rank and file members will get to have their say as well.







BenThere is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:07 PM
  #2  
Ragtop_Rob
CF Senior Member
 
Ragtop_Rob's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Freestate Corvette Club! Elkridge, MD
Posts: 15,037
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
St. Jude Donor '17
Default

That would be a good thing....
Ragtop_Rob is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:20 PM
  #3  
MickP
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
MickP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 1,684
Received 90 Likes on 54 Posts
Default

"Does law enforcement, or more importantly larger society, view black men with firearms in a certain way? Let's have that discussion," Smith Says.

I would have to answer that question with, "It depends on exactly what they are doing with said firearm."
MickP is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:21 PM
  #4  
69L46
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
69L46's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2000
Location: In the heart of Bulldog territory..
Posts: 28,585
Received 53 Likes on 33 Posts
2015 C3 of Year Finalist
St. Jude Donor '15-'16-'17-'18-19
Default

"The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them."


Then why not just a gun ownership group? What does the racial aspect have to do with it?
69L46 is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:27 PM
  #5  
Roothog69
CF Senior Member
 
Roothog69's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2008
Location: Apopka Fl
Posts: 13,449
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Default

NAAGA, sorry but I had to chuckle.
Roothog69 is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:56 PM
  #6  
glbeauchamp
CF Senior Member
 
glbeauchamp's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: Douglas County WI
Posts: 3,080
Received 117 Likes on 109 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 69L46 View Post
"The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them."


Then why not just a gun ownership group? What does the racial aspect have to do with it?
My thought too.
glbeauchamp is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 12:57 PM
  #7  
bubba68ss
CF Senior Member
 
bubba68ss's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2008
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 29,343
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Black people are much more likely to be successful in a Trump economy than a big-govt, class warfare, identity politics dem govt
bubba68ss is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:02 PM
  #8  
jdmvette
Night Owl for life
Support Corvetteforum!
 
jdmvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2003
Location: Bugs Bunny should'a made a left turn here
Posts: 18,102
Received 97 Likes on 76 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Roothog69 View Post
NAAGA, sorry but I had to chuckle.
jdmvette is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:06 PM
  #9  
69L46
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
69L46's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2000
Location: In the heart of Bulldog territory..
Posts: 28,585
Received 53 Likes on 33 Posts
2015 C3 of Year Finalist
St. Jude Donor '15-'16-'17-'18-19
Default

Originally Posted by Roothog69 View Post
NAAGA, sorry but I had to chuckle.
Gun owners who annoy you.
69L46 is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:08 PM
  #10  
Builderrick
CF Senior Member
 
Builderrick's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,659
Received 16 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Roothog69 View Post
NAAGA, sorry but I had to chuckle.

If you meet a member in person don't pause between NAAGA and member if you ask them if they are a NAAGA member !
Builderrick is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:13 PM
  #11  
67tripwr
CF Senior Member
 
67tripwr's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Bringing The Liberal Hypocrisy To Light, Tolerance Has Become Intolerable
Posts: 19,864
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 69L46 View Post
"The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them."


Then why not just a gun ownership group? What does the racial aspect have to do with it?

Yup, why does always have to be this separatist bull ****

GOA Represents "all" law abiding gun owners already
67tripwr is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 01:16 PM
  #12  
CJ Willys
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Apr 2016
Posts: 982
Received 78 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Seems like a positive move. Where do I join? (I assume they do not discriminate based on race.)
CJ Willys is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 02:32 PM
  #13  
GhostTX
CF Senior Member
 
GhostTX's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2002
Location: Great State of Texas
Posts: 8,512
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Good for them.

And as they become more familiar with the 2A, they'll become more conservative.
GhostTX is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 02:44 PM
  #14  
Cygnus
CF Senior Member
 
Cygnus's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2011
Location: San Francisco's North Bay California
Posts: 3,767
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 67tripwr View Post
Yup, why does always have to be this separatist bull ****

GOA Represents "all" law abiding gun owners already

Totally agree.

Whatever "good intentions" they may have is overshadowed by their decision to throw race in from the beginning.

It's time to put the card back in the deck.
Cygnus is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 03:44 PM
  #15  
TCracingCA
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Sep 2002
Location: Hacienda Heights CA
Posts: 21,826
Received 313 Likes on 276 Posts
Default

For my Black Gun club, I only had guys show up with ARs, FNs, Glocks, HKs, etc etc.! What the heck did I do wrong?

Last edited by TCracingCA; 07-10-2019 at 03:45 PM.
TCracingCA is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 06:01 PM
  #16  
MickP
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
MickP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 1,684
Received 90 Likes on 54 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 69L46 View Post
"The goal of the National African American Gun Association is to introduce black Americans to guns and also instruct them on how to use them."


Then why not just a gun ownership group? What does the racial aspect have to do with it?
Originally Posted by 67tripwr View Post
Yup, why does always have to be this separatist bull ****

GOA Represents "all" law abiding gun owners already
Next thing you know they're going to want their own water fountains!
MickP is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 06:24 PM
  #17  
pewter99
Admin
Support Corvetteforum!
 
pewter99's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Here
Posts: 165,345
Received 558 Likes on 370 Posts
Pilot of Beer Force 1
Tampa Regional Coordinator
CI 4-5-6-7-8 Veteran
Organizer St. Jude Fundraiser
I believe in the Beer Fairy

Default

be interesting to see where this goes. I wonder what happens the first time they support a police shooting where its an obvious good shoot.
pewter99 is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 08:02 PM
  #18  
calwldlife
CF Senior Member
 
calwldlife's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: Southern Cal Ca
Posts: 40,585
Received 77 Likes on 76 Posts
Default

started under obama.
it is a curious story and does suggest ownership is a black issue.
there was indeed a time blacks were denied 2nd amm

hopefully they recognize the dems anti 2nd amm and will support trump?

good luck to them.
calwldlife is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 08:06 PM
  #19  
patriotpa
CF Senior Member
 
patriotpa's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,422
Received 23 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

The race thing was my 1st thought too.

Do they hate Whitey?

If there was a whites only gun group, there'd be a major shitstorm about it.
patriotpa is offline  
Old 07-10-2019, 08:46 PM
  #20  
Torqaholic
CF Senior Member
 
Torqaholic's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Mid-Michigan
Posts: 47,142
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
St. Jude Donor '09
Default

Overall, 4 in 10 Americans say there is a firearm in their household, according to a 2017 study by Pew Research Center. Broken down by race, 24% of African Americans say they personally own a gun, compared with 36% of whites and 15% of Hispanics.
Some anonymous person calls and asks if you own a gun?
It's a question that only an idiot would answer. The real percentage is closer to twice that.
Torqaholic is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: With A Growing Membership Since Trump, Black Gun Group Considers Getting Political


Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: