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Old 07-11-2019, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TBIRD57 View Post
We have been doing the same and will continue to do the same-
imo phony outrage because of the former British Ambassador's secret comments about
President Trump.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ish-ambassador
List the US Presidents asking foreign nations to spy on private Americans.

Ill begin:

1. Obama

please add to the list
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Old 07-11-2019, 01:26 PM
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Am I missing something here ?

I thought it was common knowledge that countries spied on each other , and shared the info , because it is illegal to spy on their own citizens etc. .
The US getting intel /info on it's citizens via the UK is technically not spying on them ..Correct ?
Its much worse.
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I think it could be treason on the part of Obama not the Brits. If Obama ordered spying on Americans from a foreign agency that might rise to the level of treason. Of course no one will charge Obama with a crime so it does not matter.
One is treason.

Thr other is act of war?
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Originally Posted by CuzzinJack View Post
Am I missing something here ?

I thought it was common knowledge that countries spied on each other , and shared the info , because it is illegal to spy on their own citizens etc. .
The US getting intel /info on it's citizens via the UK is technically not spying on them ..Correct ?

In correct terms it is, "engaging in a conspiracy with foreign nationals to commit unwarranted spying on citizens in an effort to illegally influence an election."

Do you accept that activity as legal and proper?
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Originally Posted by ifitgoesfast View Post
One is treason.

Thr other is act of war?
Interesting. Is spying by a foreign power an "act of war" in the legal sense? If so, and we do have evidence of an English spy agency conducting operations in our country, should we invade our closest ally?
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spying used to carry death penalty.
it is serious business.
recruiting foreign assets just proves that the obama crew knew it was illegal.
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Originally Posted by TBIRD57 View Post
We have been doing the same and will continue to do the same-
imo phony outrage because of the former British Ambassador's secret comments about
President Trump.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ish-ambassador
Not even relative but Id expect nothing less from you
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Originally Posted by calwldlife View Post
spying used to carry death penalty.
it is serious business.
recruiting foreign assets just proves that the obama crew knew it was illegal.
Murdering a fellow citizen used to carry the death penalty, heck, stealing a horse used to rightfully carry it as well. But is spying "technically" an act of war? To where the country that does it is held responsible too, or just the unlucky individual who got caught?
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Originally Posted by BobG View Post
Interesting. Is spying by a foreign power an "act of war" in the legal sense? If so, and we do have evidence of an English spy agency conducting operations in our country, should we invade our closest ally?
I think that historically, the extent to which this is ignored or pursued has a lot to do with the nature of the "spying" and the relationship with the country in question. For example, the UK wanting to know how many cars we produce is generally ignored. China wanting to know how fast our fighter planes fly is a different matter entirely.

And I have no doubt that EVERY country tries to influence politics in EVERY OTHER country to some extent, with their own best interests in mind, whether they be a "friendly" or an "enemy." Foreign Relations isn't just State Dinners and the exchange of symbolic gifts. The "influence" can be anything from Memes on Facebook to a box of poison cigars sent to Castro, depending on the relationship...Obama was pretty open about interfering with Israel's elections and Brexit, for example.

But I'd posit that requesting a foreign country spy on a political party or citizen for your own political benefit falls into the "Sedition" category.
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cuba has had a long successful activity of spying.
some faced jail, others deported.

there was a recent story of a gov lady giving china info.
she got 40 months jail time.

i can't think of a time where spies home countries were held to much accountability.
a war started over spying? not that i am aware of.
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Originally Posted by 1%r View Post
Not even relative but Id expect nothing less from you

senator graham is a friend of President. relative
the Senator praises the former UK ambassador. relative
he doesn't fault the ambassador for what he said about his friend President Trump. relative
he blames the press for aiding and abetting the hacking of the ambassador's secret communique. relative

in an earlier post said the same-the ambassador as part of the UK intelligence apparatus was just doing what he's paid to do. it was the illegal hacking and publishing of it was the issue.

attacking me yet again not relative
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Originally Posted by TBIRD57 View Post
senator graham is a friend of President. relative
the Senator praises the former UK ambassador. relative
he doesn't fault the ambassador for what he said about his friend President Trump. relative
he blames the press for aiding and abetting the hacking of the ambassador's secret communique. relative

in an earlier post said the same-the ambassador as part of the UK intelligence apparatus was just doing what he's paid to do. it was the illegal hacking and publishing of it was the issue.

attacking me yet again not relative
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We have been doing the same and will continue to do the same-
imo phony outrage because of the former British Ambassador's secret comments about
President Trump.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ish-ambassador
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Not even relative but I’d expect nothing less from you
no attack just calling out your typical deflection. if you don't like it when the spotlight is shined on you maybe it's time for a change of worn out tired plays from you tattered playbook. as i stated one has nothing to do with the other as you attempted to blur the lines again which you aren't effective at doing at all.

shouldn't have stopped your meds there's no such post in this thread

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Originally Posted by BobG View Post
Interesting. Is spying by a foreign power an "act of war" in the legal sense? If so, and we do have evidence of an English spy agency conducting operations in our country, should we invade our closest ally?
Should the USA invade itself? No. Extradite the conspirators, hand over records and communications of the conspiracy.
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And just imagine how close the left was to pulling all this off, throwing it in a closet, locking it up and throwing away the key.
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Should the USA invade itself? No. Extradite the conspirators, hand over records and communications of the conspiracy.
Why would we extradite somebody who wronged us to the government who authorized him to wrong us?
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Not even relative but Id expect nothing less from you
"We"? That's ******* guy is an American?
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We need to prosecute with in the laws, and judge accordingly if found guilty via a court of law, or Military Tribunal since Obama was CIC, and Hillary was DOD too..
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We need to prosecute with in the laws, and judge accordingly if found guilty via a court of law, or Military Tribunal since Obama was CIC, and Hillary was DOD too..
military tribunals which was signed into law for the public. Judiciary is too politicized
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Originally Posted by CuzzinJack View Post
Am I missing something here ?

I thought it was common knowledge that countries spied on each other , and shared the info , because it is illegal to spy on their own citizens etc. .
The US getting intel /info on it's citizens via the UK is technically not spying on them ..Correct ?
Don't confuse our laws with other countries laws. When you have people in this nation presenting condition in a false misleading manner to our allies, to encourage their assistance in doing something that is illegal for a US citizen or employee of government to do, you just committed a serious crime. The willful and knowing misleading with the intent to break or circumvent the laws of this nation is a serious crime, especially for a government official that knows the laws and decides to ignore them. It would be no different than a cop using their authority and their badge, to commit knowing and willful criminal acts.
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Originally Posted by Red99SS View Post
Why would we extradite somebody who wronged us to the government who authorized him to wrong us?
Other way. They should give us the complicit conspirators over there, along with all records and communications of the conspiracy as good will.
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