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capevettes 09-15-2023 05:25 AM

Looks like they didn't get it done. The targeted strike will begin. So much for my optimism. Bowling Green isn't one of them. It remains to be seen how Corvette production may be affected.

Fordturncoat 09-15-2023 08:02 AM

So is the corvette plant not shut down? My car was built on the 13th, am wondering if it will ship out.

Panfish 09-15-2023 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Fordturncoat (Post 1607046564)
So is the corvette plant not shut down? My car was built on the 13th, am wondering if it will ship out.

Looks like it should be normal ops for the time being. That should keep the BG wheel moving for now…

EasyLivin 09-15-2023 08:09 AM

Corvette is probably GM's highest profit margin vehicle right now. It certainly sells the fastest and they're certainly not cheap by high production vehicle standards. Makes me wonder why the UAW would not shut it down.

capevettes 09-15-2023 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by EasyLivin (Post 1607046584)
Corvette is probably GM's highest profit margin vehicle right now. It certainly sells the fastest and they're certainly not cheap by high production vehicle standards. Makes me wonder why the UAW would not shut it down.

Corvette is still relatively low production compared to trucks and SUV'S. It's high on OUR priority list but low on hitting GM where it really hurts.

Fordturncoat 09-15-2023 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by EasyLivin (Post 1607046584)
Corvette is probably GM's highest profit margin vehicle right now. It certainly sells the fastest and they're certainly not cheap by high production vehicle standards. Makes me wonder why the UAW would not shut it down.

I find it no coincidence the plants shut down are targeting mid and full-size trucks across the manufacturers as well as the Jeep plant. Inventory on these is bloated thanks to interest rates. Its one way to support prices and control supply. Stellantis has the highest inventory of any manufacturer last I checked. They cant fit anymore vehicles on the lots at the dealers near me. The link below confirmed this.

https://www.realcartips.com/news/143...nventory.shtml

EasyLivin 09-15-2023 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by capevettes (Post 1607046600)
Corvette is still relatively low production compared to trucks and SUV'S. It's high on OUR priority list but low on hitting GM where it really hurts.

I agree, I only emphasized high production relative to the price. I'm thinking the average or median build price is now around $85k or more.

ChevyChad 09-15-2023 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by AustinVetter (Post 1607046178)
I'm no fan of GM's current management but this is truly insane. The UAW is out of their minds. They refused a 20% wage increase and they demand a 46% raise, to only work 32 hours but get paid for 40, multiple bonuses, no compensation tiers (so experienced workers don't get rewarded?), enhanced vacations, retirements, cost of living, etc. Many of these workers have jobs that don't require degrees. The UAW feels entitled to these things because some of the automakers have had good earnings this year. What happens if they lose money in the coming year(s)? Will the UAW give back some of the concessions/raises back to help out? Of course not.

The average UAW salary is way over what my wife works as a school teacher. She has worked nearly 25 years at her job and only makes a little over $60K/year. Her raises are around 3% per year. She doesn't get bonuses and her job requires a 4 year degree.

I really wish people were more thankful for the very good jobs they have rather than feel entitled to so much more. In my opinion, if they want more, then they should find a job better suited for their demands or go start their own business and hope they don't have employees that demand 46% raises, multiple bonuses, 32 hour work weeks... or else.

SMH.

Amen! Well said. And I agree teachers are probably the most underpaid professionals in today's society. They are the ones who truly DESERVE more. Not these arrogant entitled union workers who rarely have a job that requires much thought or effort at all. The whole basis for the UAW asking for a 40% raise was because one of the CEO's got a 40% raise a few years ago. That is terrible thinking of the UAW to say that because one person (who has a very high degree and runs an entire company and has a skill set which is rare) that means that every other person who puts a widget on in an assembly line whose position could be replaced the next day if they quit deserves just as much of a raise. Complete BS!

Shifterkartdrvr 09-15-2023 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by ChevyChad (Post 1607046698)
Amen! Well said. And I agree teachers are probably the most underpaid professionals in today's society. They are the ones who truly DESERVE more. Not these arrogant entitled union workers who rarely have a job that requires much thought or effort at all. The whole basis for the UAW asking for a 40% raise was because one of the CEO's got a 40% raise a few years ago. That is terrible thinking of the UAW to say that because one person (who has a very high degree and runs an entire company and has a skill set which is rare) that means that every other person who puts a widget on in an assembly line whose position could be replaced the next day if they quit deserves just as much of a raise. Complete BS!

Depends upon the teacher and what they're teaching. In many areas, the basics have gone by the wayside for social issues. The U.S. test scores and rankings are a direct reflection of this.

Propspinner 09-15-2023 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by ZO6ZO7isme (Post 1607046293)
Saw on the news they want a 36% increase in wages…. IMO that’s not happening.
Maybe 12 to 14% max, if that, just saying.

Their (management) offers have already been higher than that but have been turned down by the UAW.

RJ-92 09-15-2023 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by AustinVetter (Post 1607046178)
I'm no fan of GM's current management but this is truly insane. The UAW is out of their minds. They refused a 20% wage increase and they demand a 46% raise, to only work 32 hours but get paid for 40, multiple bonuses, no compensation tiers (so experienced workers don't get rewarded?), enhanced vacations, retirements, cost of living, etc. Many of these workers have jobs that don't require degrees. The UAW feels entitled to these things because some of the automakers have had good earnings this year. What happens if they lose money in the coming year(s)? Will the UAW give back some of the concessions/raises back to help out? Of course not.

The average UAW salary is way over what my wife works as a school teacher. She has worked nearly 25 years at her job and only makes a little over $60K/year. Her raises are around 3% per year. She doesn't get bonuses and her job requires a 4 year degree.

I really wish people were more thankful for the very good jobs they have rather than feel entitled to so much more. In my opinion, if they want more, then they should find a job better suited for their demands or go start their own business and hope they don't have employees that demand 46% raises, multiple bonuses, 32 hour work weeks... or else.

SMH.


This mindset is the reason the auto industry has lost 85% of their jobs since 1970s. These greedy pigs are negotiating themselves right out of a job. The bosses don't care, they're the ones making out on these deals, the rank-n-file are just pawns.

BLUE1972 09-15-2023 11:15 AM

The strike will basically push the car manufacturers into more robotics and offshore manufacturing.

KOTYKB 09-15-2023 11:22 AM

Stellantis offering 3.89% raises each year for the next 4.5 years is only holding up with inflation...I agree it's BS. They should be getting 3-4% yearly raises automatically

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cor...54d6bd9e8.jpeg

RJ-92 09-15-2023 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Shifterkartdrvr (Post 1607046789)
Depends upon the teacher and what they're teaching. In many areas, the basics have gone by the wayside for social issues. The U.S. test scores and rankings are a direct reflection of this.

While I agree with that, it's not on the teachers. I blame the education department. Once schools lost local control, the curriculum became less student focused and more slanted towards peoples political pet-projects.

AustinVetter 09-15-2023 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by RJ-92 (Post 1607047181)
While I agree with that, it's not on the teachers. I blame the education department. Once schools lost local control, the curriculum became less student focused and more slanted towards peoples political pet-projects.

This is exactly correct. The stories I hear... and we are in Texas. I can't imagine being in a blue state. We actually have excellent teachers in our schools. It's the system they have to work under at this point.

cryptonic 09-15-2023 12:09 PM

Unions demanding over 40% pay increases. They also want 5 days pay for only working 4.
Gee, what corporation would have a problem with that.
Seriously, what kind of nonsense is this?
Carbon copy of what I watched the steel workers union do in Western PA years ago and we all know how that worked out for them.
These monkeys just don't get it.

arivero9897 09-15-2023 12:13 PM

As long as BGA is operating as usual we shouldn't see an impact in production but this is just Day 1.

EasyLivin 09-15-2023 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by arivero9897 (Post 1607047355)
As long as BGA is operating as usual we shouldn't see an impact in production but this is just Day 1.

They're just cutting off a couple of fingers... If that doesn't work they'll gouge an eye out... The UAW is truly Mafia...

arivero9897 09-15-2023 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by cryptonic (Post 1607047340)
Unions demanding over 40% pay increases. They also want 5 days pay for only working 4.
Gee, what corporation would have a problem with that.
Seriously, what kind of nonsense is this?
Carbon copy of what I watched the steel workers union do in Western PA years ago and we all know how that worked out for them.
These monkeys just don't get it.

The thing is I'm willing to bet if GM upped the pay increase to 25-30% and swapped tiers to 90 days, the UAW would forget about the 32 hour work week. Their initial requests were and are absurd and truly unfeasible to a profitable corporation. However, when you start high, you hope to meet somewhere in the middle.

smithers 09-15-2023 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by arivero9897 (Post 1607047385)
The thing is I'm willing to bet if GM upped the pay increase to 25-30% and swapped tiers to 90 days, the UAW would forget about the 32 hour work week. Their initial requests were and are absurd and truly unfeasible to a profitable corporation. However, when you start high, you hope to meet somewhere in the middle.

But if you start too high you aren’t taken seriously. I think that is the current situation.


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