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I believe motorweek did the comparrison. Do a search for motorweek.
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Can we cut to the chase for a minute?
When you get deep down to the core of the discussion: Aren't these comparisons really about who thinks they spent their money the wisest? Then they try to prove it by throwing out all these facts and figures... Can't we all agree that if YOU spent YOUR money on the vehicle that you love and want to drive everyday, who cares about the other guy. He probably thinks the same thing. Getting right down to it, he is NOT you. He has different likes and dislikes. So really this is apples and oranges. He spent his money and loves his purchase, you did to. Now lets get down to reality on the street. Other than going in a straight line, does not performance on the street (i.e. actual driving with corners) come down to the driver and his/her skills? Can't a 200 hp car with a great driver kick the rear end of a Z06 if the driver sucks and its a technical road? If you agree, then performance numbers in the mags are for comparison only but not reality. Just a thought. |
Motor trend did all the tests-thats it and thats final--2001 Z06 won! Let this tread RIP-:willy::ack::leaving::smash::seeya:seeya :seeya
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Originally Posted by Tunedprt91
(Post 1571812323)
The 00R and 03/04 Cobra. Both are IRS, the 00R has a Bilstein shock/strut set up that is adjustable (I think), the 03/04's have a regular production non-adjustable strut and shock arrangement. I am not sure about sway bar differences in these cars. The spring rates are much more aggressive on the 00R than the 03/04, but the 00R still rides very nice, firm, but not too firm.
More info and numbers I am copying and pasting from the 00R owner: "Anyway, here is one of the Motor Trend tests from 2000, they actually tested these cars together twice. I think the Viper was involved in one of the two tests. Slalom, 600ft, mph 00R-69.40 Z06-68.50 Maximum Lateral G 00R-1.0 Z06-.98 ------------------------------------------- The other Motor Trend from 2000 Waterford Hills Road Racing Circuit Road Course Lap Times 00R-1:17.98 @ 69.2mph Z06-1:19.59 @ 67.8mph Acceleration/sec. _____00R Z06 0-30 2.01 2.04 0-40 2.70 2.77 0-50 3.70 3.73 0-60 4.52 4.53 Speed Through 600ft. Slalom _____69.33 68.41 ------------------------------------------- Also SpeedVision.com did some tests on the 00R against a 1965 Shelby GT350R (race car) and the 00R pulled a 1.02 on the skid pad. -------------------------------------------- Car and Driver 2001 ____00R Z06 0-60 4.5 4.5 1/4 mile 13.0@111mph 13.0@112mph Street Start 5-60mph 00R-5.0 sec. Z06-4.9 sec. Top Speed 00R-177mph Z06-168mph 300ft. Skid Pad 00R-.99g Z06-.93g Weight 00R-3580 Z06-3126 ^^^^Now this tells a story all by itself........ Like I said, the 00R did not win everything, it did not blow the Z06 away, but it is a Mustang, it shouldn't have even been there in the first place!! The test numbers also vary from test to test and driver to driver. One of the Mustang magazines that had a 2000 Cobra R for a week was able to learn the car and run a 12.51, (most magazines ran 12.7-13.0)no other magazines were showing that 12,50's kind of time, but the Mustang magazine also mentioned that the Cobra R was a hard car to drag race, it was not set up to drag race, so it had to be learned. This is something that the main stream magazines would not take time to do. Most all of the 1/4 mile times for the Z06 were in this same area, 12.7+ or -." What I failed to mention is my Cobra has all the suspension goodies the R has. The car was set up by Kenny Brown To R specs. My Cobra still does not give me the same confidence cornering as my stock Z06. The mustang regardless if its an R or a 03- 04 cobra have the same chassis, right? We agree on that? Then why do these cars need so many different braces, chassis brace in the rear, chassis brace in the front, 2 different places for sub frame connectors, rear end brace. They need all these braces because the chassis twists under severe cornering. The braces are just a band aid fix for a car that doesn't handle. Its a great car for what it is, sorry, its no Corvette, not in the handling department, not even close. If you want to talk power, HP, Cobra wins. My Cobra with just a couple of cheap mods, pulley swap is making 503 HP, and the sound of the supercharger is what this car is all about. Just my opinion. |
Not bad
Originally Posted by Tunedprt91
(Post 1571818239)
So its obvious you can appreciate all different types of performance cars from your list. Alot of people who are brand loyal to american cars would call a TT Rx7 or Supra junk. Since it seems like you like most anything fast why talk bad about the 00R? If you dont care what the women think then why bring them up in the first place?
I had issues with a Mazda Millenia back in the day....that dang live axle joint thing went south...car out of warranty...Mazda stepped up and paid the $500 bill....and that wasnt the only one....Toyota stepped up too. GM sucks totally but you know what I still like the Vette the best out of all the cars Ive had so far and I even made a promise to myself after GM screwed me on my last Vette that I wouldnt come back. Well I did and still love my car but hate the company. Anyway not talking bad about the 00R but there is no comparison to the Vette...maybe they wanna try and put fluff on it and try to make it into the class of the Vette but its just not happening....like I said before it goes both ways...our Vettes dont compare to a Lambo and its silly to even try, two different classes. I think the 00R is better compared to say the Camaro SS or something. just my .02 |
Originally Posted by Z O SICK
(Post 1571820599)
I believe motorweek did the comparrison. Do a search for motorweek.
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Originally Posted by David426
(Post 1571826236)
If you read my post on the second page 6th post from the top of this thread I posted the link which is a video done by Motor week not Motor Trend,, The show was aired on Speed Vision.. Guess you didn't see the post
Then I guess you didn't see the 4th post lol :D |
Originally Posted by speedyhawk101
(Post 1571828457)
Then I guess you didn't see the 4th post lol :D
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Originally Posted by speedyhawk101
(Post 1571828457)
Then I guess you didn't see the 4th post lol :D
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I will trade my 2002 Z06 for the R :)
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Agreed
Originally Posted by andrewdonald1
(Post 1571820661)
Can we cut to the chase for a minute?
When you get deep down to the core of the discussion: Aren't these comparisons really about who thinks they spent their money the wisest? Then they try to prove it by throwing out all these facts and figures... Can't we all agree that if YOU spent YOUR money on the vehicle that you love and want to drive everyday, who cares about the other guy. He probably thinks the same thing. Getting right down to it, he is NOT you. He has different likes and dislikes. So really this is apples and oranges. He spent his money and loves his purchase, you did to. Now lets get down to reality on the street. Other than going in a straight line, does not performance on the street (i.e. actual driving with corners) come down to the driver and his/her skills? Can't a 200 hp car with a great driver kick the rear end of a Z06 if the driver sucks and its a technical road? If you agree, then performance numbers in the mags are for comparison only but not reality. Just a thought. |
Originally Posted by Steve Doten
(Post 1571830819)
I will trade my 2002 Z06 for the R :)
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The Cobra (then and now) will never compare to the Corvette as long as its as heavy as it is. If they brought it down to 3200-3300 lbs. ,and keep the hp level at 500 hp, they would definetely be a serious player. But in order to do that the Mustang would have to be totally redesigned, not necessarily a 2 seat model, but the weight would certanly have to be reduced. As far as the spoiler height , youre a bad man!! ( Is the cracked hood common on those cars?)
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Don't forget the Cobra R still has fox chassis.
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I think the funniest part is in that page form FERD they talk about power per liter. Unfortunately the corvette number they give is the 345hp LS1 number. If you put in 385hp and 5.7 liters the number changes to 67.5 hp/liter. If you happen to say what about '02 and put in 405hp you get 71.05. A strangely familiar number.
Since I regularly operate a Ferd product and owned a Cobra in the past I can say they are fun, but just a lot of fanfare and blowhard like the numbers in their book. The articles I remember from that time right before I traded my cobra up into a Z06 talked about a fantastic car to race, not to drive daily, which was heavy and over-priced in comparison to this new model or corvette with a wierd alpha-numeric moniker... An impressive race vehicle? Yes. A very limited production? Yes. Worth owning, for me? Not even close. The wife wouldn't drive it because she couldn't have driving music and A/C. Happy wife = happy life :cheers: -Ed |
Guess what? I couldnt have driving without A/C and radio. Its probably a first date killer too.
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