Is the BBK intake dead or what?
 

Its been a while since I have heard anything is there any news?

I hope it's dead!

What's wrong with it? It looked pretty cool, but I know squat about it.

By BBK delaying the production of that intake it makes Superrams worth more! :D

Glad i got a deal! hahaha

Why? Should everyone must but a miniram and have no other choice? WTF does it matter to you?

I would buy one as soon as it hit the market so i'm not sure why they keep putting it on the back burner.

Clearly, some people would think you're an idiot. I am not one of those people.

I wanted one bad but I must admit I am quickly losing interest in it. Also, I don't give a rats azz what people think of my wanting one, I've never been a "cookie cutter" type. Considering the projected cost, I wonder what the miniram preachers will say if the BBK runs with or better than their precious minis.

A mini is too expensive IMO and I dont want to modify a LT1 intake, too much hassle. Plus the L98 isnt exactly a powerhouse so I want something that take advantage of its strong points.

It;'s on the burner. Brian is saying late summer for production. With the 1.70" inside diameter of the runners it has a lot of potential. That is larger than anything out there except the First.

I pitty those who wish ill will on a company and its product. Especially one that is willing to put out a new product for a motor that has not been made for 16 years.

I wouldnt mind seeing it come out, but not holding my breath.

my BBK intake works just fine.Along with the the 52mm throttle body. So waaa to all who think they are crap. At 11.90 in the quarter and 121 mph...it doesn't matter except for the brakes!

WTF? :lol: Getting testy? Relax!


I have been waiting for this intake to come out before you were a member of the Corvetteforum. I called the company years ago, and they said it would be out sometime in 2007.

Brutal!

And to answer your question. The miniram is a great intake, but not for everyone.

That's why I got the FIRST! Well, not totally, but the miniram just wasn't in my budget. Now when I build a new motor, then maybe.

So late this summer? What is the projected price range? Anyone know if we will have hood clearing issues?

There was an announcement about it in one of the (many) car magazines I got about a week ago. Didn't give a release date. I am sure they are just doing their due diligence to make sure the product is as correct as possible. I am still interested myself.

First is outperforming the MR anyway...you did well.

Read an update on thirdgen.org and someone said late 08 maybe? They also stated something crazy like $400! That's not much at all! Hmm, more food for thought. Sorry I don't remember their name. Shouldn't be hard to find. Those thirdgen guys are just as obsessed as everyone here.

$400 that's about what a Miniram should cost. Maybe now that First has come out with a better product that includes a new TB for less money TPiS will come down on their price.

:lol: :lol:

Word is they are waiting on the C4 Varraram kit so they can be released with one another.

does anyone have a prototype pic of this unicorn?

There was a huge thread about it a few months ago. The BBK rep posted quite a lot and there was a picture. Wonder what happened to him.

Probably flippin' burgers at Mickey D's.

This is what its supposedly going to look like, I think its pretty slick myself

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...l98-intake.jpg

With the 1.7" id of the runners the BBK intake has a lot of potential. That is larger than anything on the market outside of the First.

I think we get your point ;)

Thanks, some people never get the word. :D

What?

You had to be there.

Looks like a Cobra mustang intake.:yesnod:

pretty slick...its a superram though...with a different plenum and tubalar vs cast runners...no other difference i see in design

so it says 700 with everything thats a deal. i am going to email them and ask why it isnt out yet if it says winter 08

Last time I checked it was still April of '08.



As for $700,....its a shame its a far cry from the original guesstamate of $399.00. :( I figured that would be the case though.

Yeah they told me around $400 several years ago. Now it's around $700.

I wish it was a 1 piece design.

Well, I think that them delaying it so long lends this forum credence - they know if it is crap, the word will spread faster than a Kalifornia wildfire. Bryan knows between here & thirdgen folks can turn a wrench, and a lackluster product may hurt them across the board. My economic stimulus money will be spent on an intake, so I'm gonna wait & see what we really get.....

after all of the years of delay, I think the horse is dead. April is almost over, so the next projected date is this fall. Whats after that? Personally after all this time, somebody is getting their chain yanked. And I think its you guys. Other companys have come out with some nice pieces for the tune port. First has a nice one, and a new guy in the market is professional products. They have 2 or 3 new set ups that look quite promising. Its up to you guys to seperate the bs from the real thing. when you see it for sale, its there, not some promise from the past. Just my observation on this subject

Got a link to professional products?

It's now on their web site.

http://www.bbkperformance.com/news_item.php?nak=23

try professional-products.com They have some nice products and about half the price of the other guys. Doug Herbert carries their products and a lot of the others. Summit and jegs also carries them, but don't push them like edelbrock or the others

Not to hijack, but: http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_2.php

What is the total runner length for this intake? Are the runner "buds" on the upper plenum considered in the length? It would seem as though the super ram has more air to draw from with its plenum being bigger.

I just installed a Professional Products intake on my El Camino daily driver. It is the Typhoon model and while I am pleased with how it performs I wasn't very happy while installing it. I had just finished the install and fired the engine, could not get it to idle down. Took a bottle of water and started searching for vacuum leaks, the whole drivers side was sucking air. I pulled the intake back off and it had too much material at the top of the intake ports, the manifold was sitting on top of the small ridge on the head just below the valve cover. I ground it down about 1/8 inch for plenty of clearance and everything is fine. The manifold was about a 16th of an inch too wide to fit down on the heads proper but not visibly a problem until you fire it up. If you buy one of their products go over it very carefully before ruining a set of gaskets like I did.
As far as the BBK intake, I've waited as long as I'm going to and now they've almost doubled the price. I can't quote Brian exactly but in the thread that is gone now he said something like, the price is set at $399. why would it be any higher? The whole thing is B.S.

Understood 89corvette6spdFX3, I noticed that also, but the LSx intake designs have runners that appear to almost cross, with barely any "plenum" cavity. The smaller central area with the buds may act as the LSx intakes do albeit with a different configuration...

runners length is gotta be same as superram, base is similiar as it has to be crossing over the block..the runners all look to be same in height as thye are just tall enough to meet the plenum floor at a height that clears over the facory fuel rail etc...

gotta be thread in here with those numbers...

I do think these runners are a little shorter, the upturn seems a little faster tucking tighter into the plenum. It really looks like the standard TPI and Super Ram put together.

I wonder if the smaller plenum in this and the LS create more port velocity creating more of the "ram" effect?

It is a nice looking intake, too bad they didn't continue with the ribs on the top front of the intake rather than just the rear or even none at all.

Nice work on the plenums, but looks aside, the ported plenums really aren't in the same league as the aftermarket intakes

Not sure if I'm reading the dyno page correctly, but it doesn't show a 50 hp & 52 trq improvement - http://www.bbkperformance.com/news_item.php?nak=23

It does around the 5075 rpm point. It is a marketing ploy that most manufacturors use. It also points out how fast the stock TPI falls off and that the BBK system hangs on.

I just heard about this intake today for the first time, and I like the way it looks! I'll consider buying it! Also Summit has it on their web site and it says Estimated ship date is 2/2/09. Cost is $749.99, and it comes with EGR ports!

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...239+4294822100


Anyone have any other info on performance figures. Anyone plan on buying one and posting their gains?

I am wondering if it is legal for use in California and carries a EO# or a CARB # with it?

It Probably is because it has the EGR port and stuff... but idk.

I really wanted this thing, but now I have an sr, so I would like lpe parts to match:thumbs: If I did not have this and it came out, I would have bought it:smash:

i just invested in a super ram, besides we need to see what bbk achieved,

i think the plenum has a smaller cubic volume, i don't know what that means, maybe some super guru here can explain

we should start a contest to see who is the closest to estimating it's performance numbers,

winner get the golden backing out award>>>>>>>>:eek:

Better than speding $200 on a TPI plenum that does almost 0

Does anyone know if there any room to do any porting on the runners or base?:bigears I would buy this right now if it has room for porting. :smash: I was just about to buy a mini ram, but If this intake has the potential to reach 5500rpm or more with the help of porting I'll buy it today. Any word on this?:bigears

Even if it has comparable performance numbers to the SR, it is a bargain buy compared to any intake manifold system. I plan on getting one this summer :D

Is the above price of $750 incorrect? You can get a SR for that or less.

i wish i would caught wind of this when i was doing reasearch, cause of the price and possibly ease of install, this would be an alternative.

i paid a deposit for my sr i was wondering if i could back out:crazy::crazy::crazy: mine will cost over a thou shipped with a base plate,( curious to see the plate) there are a bunch on feebay that i'm tracking to see what numbers they get, i presume it will be close.

how much have they gone for high and low?

the summit link just switched to a 2/9/09 ship date

No your right, its not really adding more power just adjusting the HP curve. It makes less HP at lower rpm but a lot more in higher rpms which is pretty much what a miniram does but better.

this replaces plenum, runners, and intake manifold right?

that would be a lot cheaper than say 300 for runners, 400-500 for manifold, and then 200+ to get your plenum ported or get a miniram

yes it does.

and then beat the crap outa the tpi setup, so long as it's smog compliant in calilfornia,

half way there with egr, and with the tooling cost

why would bbk stop short and not spend a few more bucks and end up negating and nixing the california profit center which happens to be large mecca and market share for this applicaition.

FWIW, I've often seen that when shopping Summit. I think it simply indicates they don't stock it, and so as the current date moves forward, so does the expected ship date as they will order it when you buy it.

I doubt it means it is not released yet, I wouldn't think Summit would deal with listing it. This is just a guess though from past experiences.

I saw it on the summit website last night. Made me curious what the deal is with it. :lurk:

I emailed BBK and got a response this morning. I was told not to expect the manifold at that date and that 4-6 months is more likely. Hmmm, isn't this what we've been hearing now for quite some time? I've lost interest in the manifold but would like to get rid of my tpi. It seems that the LT1 is a complicated conversion, I really don't want a superram and I have heard that the First will not clear the C4 hood. I guess that narrows it down to a miniram?

I think the SR is can work great on a 350 but is good for 383 or also.
The BBK IMHO might just be a good upgrade for the 350.

How can a company advertize a product for this long and not be even close to selling it yet? Who ever does their marketing is a Der Der...

look at chevolet, gauging the market with their "all too long awaited and them some" camaro; the ford mustang ( sure hate to say it here, but the truth is the truth, can you handle the truth?) kicked it's butt to almost extinction.

gettting a read on public demand may contribute to the reinvention of the camaro,

need is always the mother of invention or reinvention and viable sales streams.

Yeah but for something like this, if they wait too long people seek out alturnatives.

ya win some and ya lose some, that's factor in. and maybe bbk knows they have cornered the market and there are really no alternatives. that said , anyone can always rip out an induction system, not so easy with other engine related components.

From what I remember they make the First to fit the hood if you want that. This BBK intake has been a joke for a loooong time. It's been just around the corner for years. :rofl:

yes. they have a shaved throttle body for corvette owners

-Takes awhile to develop engineer and perfect a piece.
-Has to be a market for it the mfr will be confident they will recoup their outlay and make a profit
-Takes bunches of $$ to get the EO certification. How many do they think they can sell? Its all dollars and cents.
-They will test the market to see how much interest is and what some may pay

I bet if they already have an agreement with Summit the product will be seen eventually.

Thing is dont cry if somethign new comes out and you cant buy that trick new EFI intake it $300 it aint gonna happen. Lots of mfrs skip over the C$/TPI cars because the owners wont spend any money on them .Believe me these mfrs see threads like this and may can a project over it. I would.

Anyone interested in reviewing a brief history of the BBK saga can take
a look at the comments and links in the following thread.
In that thread I wrote that the BBK website advertised "Estimated Release
Date: Winter 2008." Well, where is it? Oh, now it is due in early 2009 ...

As I suggested at the time:



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Take a look at the edelbrock pro flo XT as well.

Or a singleplane.

First is tpi and tpi is ghey.


-- Joe

Does the ProFlo XT fit under the hood?

It's 9" tall, so yeah. You have about 10.5" in the rear and a little over 9" in the front.

There is a lot of benefit to a monoblade LSx type throttle body in regards to throttle response and ability to flow (and availability of cheap throttle bodies).

-- Joe

Haven't heard of anyone running one yet. They're a little over 9" tall, so if they fit, it would be close.

:chevy

do you think that the perf. gains would be close to what you could get with a new manifold, runners, and port the plenum?

Here is yet another alternative - save your pennies, yes, but I'll bet you'll gain more with this than the BBK.

http://www.usmracer.com/Induction-Fuel_c_19229.html

They'll do what most people do in that situation, start making excuses.

Has anybody looked at the dyno graph on BBK's web page? Maybe it's because it's on an otherwise stock motor, but it's DONE by 3000 RPM.

I wouldn't know for sure though because the graphs are just tossed out there, not explained at all.

With an HSR? Sir, please put down the crack pipe.

-- Joe

:toetap: Having an opinion (especially with as much knowledge and experience as u have) is kool...Being OPINIONATED is not...

Some of us choose a different method to get to the same place and have different priorities.

That said, I hope the BBK does make it into production as ANOTHER viable alternative to the other well documented intakes. More choice is always mo betta :thumbs:

He should know I'm kidding with him. Some of you guys take this stuff too seriously.



Agreed. I hope the BBK comes out and is a nice intake.

I've tried a lot of combos. What works for me might not work for you guys but. I've never ever ever seen a long tube runner combo on the same engine make the car go faster or be more fun on the street. Stop lights included. I'm very much against any TPI based setup, including FIRST, because I think it is a huge waste of money.


-- Joe

[QUOTE=anesthes;1568633611]He should know I'm kidding with him. Some of you guys take this stuff too seriously.

Not really, but someone's tone is hard to determine on a computer. :D



"Agreed. I hope the BBK comes out and is a nice intake.

I've tried a lot of combos. What works for me might not work for you guys but. I've never ever ever seen a long tube runner combo on the same engine make the car go faster or be more fun on the street. Stop lights included. I'm very much against any TPI based setup, including FIRST, because I think it is a huge waste of money. "

Well put, Joe; although I have to respectfully disagree. My FIRST pulls as hard as the superram it replaced did, and with a lil more tqe to boot. I do agree, if ur looking for high hp and high revs, TPI is not what u want in an intake. All of them are compromises. One just has to decide how much compromise they're willing to make. One point I think needs to be stressed, is: NO intake, by itself, is gonna do much to make our cars faster. Tom :cheers:

do you think that the BBK will make close to the same amount or more power than ported/big runners, a ported plenum, and an eddy manifold?

If their dyno graph is to believed it makes a TON of low end power, probably more than just new runners and such. Trouble is it still falls flat in the upper RPM's. I wonder how much of this is a function of the intake design vs stocks heads / cam / headers. I'm inclined to think it's intake because the HSR continues to pull hard in the upper range.

If you can get past Holley's quality control issues and the fact that it won't clear a C4 hood, it's actually a very good intake. A friend of mine just replaced the the TPI on a stone stock Iroc with the HSR and is very impressed how it pulls very well all the way to 6000 RPM, something no stock TPI would ever do.

He said it doesn't have quite the low end grunt of the TPI but it more than makes up for it in it's extremely smooth and much increased power band.

I was thinking them same thing. looks like they have the graph shifted 1000 rpms to the left

The Edelbrock Pro-flo looks like a nice intake, but I dont think it'll fit under the C4 hood. Someone mentioned that it was slightly too tall but could possibly be shaved down some to fit.

Quality control? Like the fact that one of the tapped holes for my fuel rail was 1/16 of an inch too far forward?? ugg.

It is a good intake. Not a great intake. The runners are too tall and the plenum design is not as good as the miniram or lt1. The transition is just terrible.

I expect it to kick the snot out of any TPI, and probably a super ram too. I don't expect it to hold up to a miniram, and I think a properly dialed in singleplane would beat it too.


In regards to the pro-flo, from the posted specs it should fit. At least, it would in my '87. If you guys search my 'singleplane' thread I spent a lot of time measuring various points to the hood, and allowing for engine movement. There is a ton of room in the rear, and a little over 9" in the front. The only thing that could cause an issue is the IAC on the throttle body. It looks to be a bit above the intake. That's why I mounted my LSx throttle body up-side-down.

-- Joe

I think the differences between the SR and the BBK are, plenum volume, runner length , materail for porting. to me it looks like they took the specs of the tpi plenum and figured a way to make the runners shorter, and they accomplished that, the rest is just design, how it fits together, and what not, but I would bet, if you put their test intake on a 383 or 396, 406, which the SR is proven on, the numbers and performance it provides are trumped by the SR. IMO

Nice! I would expect nothing less. I'm not an intake guru or anything but I've looked at one HSR in person, the one that my friend put on the car I mentioned. It looked to be pretty decently made and very straightforward. It looks like a classic dual tunnel ram with a big plenum on top of it. I did not examine the fit and finish of how the upper and lower go together. I think as far as looks go, I like it as much as any. The Super Ram just looked like a big uggly off center box, and the mini ram always looked like it was trying to be an LT1. Again though, it won't clear a vette hood without some modification work, and looks really don't matter if you're way out in front.

I thought the mini came out before the lt1?

It did. Years before the LT1.. Some people speculate TPIS got pictures of the up and coming "LT1" and ripped off the design, others say GM ripped off the design. I've seen "other" prototype intakes (pictures, not in person) and one in person of "LT1/Miniram like" intakes. I think it was a common idea.

HSR is not that far from an LT1/Miniram. When you think about it, a miniram is a tunnel ram milled WAY WAY down with a plenum cast onto it. 3" runner.

If you look inside the miniram the way it diverts the air you'll see why it's a bit more superior to the HSR. The problem with the miniram is it lacks an IAC passage, which is why miniram cars idles like turd. Most guys running a miniram are also running a huge cam though so nobody notices. :)

-- Joe

Flux capacitor
 

This will be available before BBK has their manifold out



The flux capacitor, which consisted of a regularly squared compartment with three flashing lights arranged as a "Y", was described by Doc as "what makes time travel possible". The device is the core component of Doctor Emmett Brown's fictional time traveling DeLorean DMC-12.

Nice. What's the logic behind that? Did they just figure nobody would need it?

I've never been terribly impressed with TPIS products. I've never used any personally but I've seen several cars that have had several different products and the list of complaints is staggering considering the price people have paid.

A friend who supposedly was in a position to know claims that a converted LT1 intake actually makes significantly more power than a Mini Ram on an L98. Anybody know if this is true?

I guess they figured it would be fine without it, or that it would be too costly to add. ? Some guys have fabricated their own.

I thought the miniram was a nice intake. I ran it for a while. Other than idle issues.

The LT1 has a shorter runner than the miniram and has more higher RPM potential because of this, so in theory the LT1 intake could make more power if the port size and shape and cross sectional area is the same. The LT1 intake has a true iac passage so it will idle better.

The LT1 intake however is not an air gap design, so one could argue it has more heat soak than a miniram.

The remote thermostat issues with the conversion are rather lame.

An "LT1" will make more power than an SBC all other things equal because you can get away with both more compression and more spark advance because the cooling system is superior. Then again, there have been reports of LT1 having pocket issues, a lame ignition system, etc.

-- Joe