Changing gear ratio affect RWHP on a dyno?
Going to a higher gear, say 2.73 up to 3.42, and then having the car dynoed, would RWHP or TQ show up on the graph. :bigears
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higher ratios reduce rwhp
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:lurk:
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Originally Posted by Billy182
(Post 1564944076)
higher ratios reduce rwhp
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So would 3.42 gain more HP over 3.15
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:lurk:
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I think you should gain some torque. I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong. :lol:
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Originally Posted by Anthony01
(Post 1564945385)
So would 3.42 gain more HP over 3.15
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Actually, lower gears produce lower dyno numbers. 3.42 is a lower gear ratio than 3.15.
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Originally Posted by Willfulone
(Post 1564945475)
Other way around...
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Originally Posted by Anthony01
(Post 1564944023)
Going to a higher gear, say 2.73 up to 3.42, and then having the car dynoed, would RWHP or TQ show up on the graph. :bigears
When you try to remove your LUG NUTS with a 3/8" ratchet and socket it will take a ton of arm strength to remove them and if you had a dial gauge on your elbow the needle would move tremendously with the effort being used. Now if you were to remove that same LUG NUT and used a long bar with the dial gauge on your elbow it would read less in the effort needed! So to answer your question you will loose some dyno numbers because the 3.42 gears will make it easier to move the dyno, therefore the gears are utalizing what you already have and it takes less effort to get it going:D In real world though it is ONLY a number but the results are better performance and quicker times and it takes lees to move your Vette from point A to B thus making it quicker:thumbs: But the results are like adding 50 HP but it does not show up on the dyno just at the track and on the street!:yesnod: I hope this helps:leaving: |
Originally Posted by madmatt9471
(Post 1564945723)
It's kinda like this!
When you try to remove your LUG NUTS with a 3/8" ratchet and socket it will take a ton of arm strength to remove them and if you had a dial gauge on your elbow the needle would move tremendously with the effort being used. Now if you were to remove that same LUG NUT and used a long bar with the dial gauge on your elbow it would read less in the effort needed! So to answer your question you will loose some dyno numbers because the 3.42 gears will make it easier to move the dyno, therefore the gears are utalizing what you already have and it takes less effort to get it going:D In real world though it is ONLY a number but the results are better performance and quicker times and it takes lees to move your Vette from point A to B thus making it quicker:thumbs: But the results are like adding 50 HP but it does not show up on the dyno just at the track and on the street!:yesnod: I hope this helps:leaving: Higher final gear ratios reduce wheel horsepower because of increased friction loss |
Originally Posted by Billy182
(Post 1564945953)
You just described the effects of torque, not horsepower.
Higher final gear ratios reduce wheel horsepower because of increased friction loss Much in the same way it loses HP too, that is in an illustrative way!:D I would like you if you could give us an ILLUSTRATION to help us understand the loss, if that would be good for you :thumbs: Please respond! So I wont make this mistake again:D Thanks,Matt |
Summary: You'll loose some numbers on the dyno, but the car will be faster on the street. You want the 3.42 :thumbs:
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3.42s are no good. You know you want 4.10s. So i have a question then. I dynoed at 424rwhp with 3.42s and now have upgraded to 4.10s what would my dyno numbers be now?
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Originally Posted by vettegator005
(Post 1564948457)
3.42s are no good. You know you want 4.10s. So i have a question then. I dynoed at 424rwhp with 3.42s and now have upgraded to 4.10s what would my dyno numbers be now?
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Originally Posted by madmatt9471
(Post 1564945723)
It's kinda like this!
When you try to remove your LUG NUTS with a 3/8" ratchet and socket it will take a ton of arm strength to remove them and if you had a dial gauge on your elbow the needle would move tremendously with the effort being used. Now if you were to remove that same LUG NUT and used a long bar with the dial gauge on your elbow it would read less in the effort needed! So to answer your question you will loose some dyno numbers because the 3.42 gears will make it easier to move the dyno, therefore the gears are utalizing what you already have and it takes less effort to get it going:D In real world though it is ONLY a number but the results are better performance and quicker times and it takes lees to move your Vette from point A to B thus making it quicker:thumbs: But the results are like adding 50 HP but it does not show up on the dyno just at the track and on the street!:yesnod: I hope this helps:leaving: |
Originally Posted by madmatt9471
(Post 1564945723)
It's kinda like this!
When you try to remove your LUG NUTS with a 3/8" ratchet and socket it will take a ton of arm strength to remove them and if you had a dial gauge on your elbow the needle would move tremendously with the effort being used. Now if you were to remove that same LUG NUT and used a long bar with the dial gauge on your elbow it would read less in the effort needed! So to answer your question you will loose some dyno numbers because the 3.42 gears will make it easier to move the dyno, therefore the gears are utalizing what you already have and it takes less effort to get it going:D In real world though it is ONLY a number but the results are better performance and quicker times and it takes lees to move your Vette from point A to B thus making it quicker:thumbs: But the results are like adding 50 HP but it does not show up on the dyno just at the track and on the street!:yesnod: I hope this helps:leaving: I don't really have a theory for why you lose power but it may have to do with engine load. Like maybe you have more power when the engine is under a higher load. |
Originally Posted by 01silvercoupe
(Post 1564951644)
This would be true if the percent decrease in hp/tq correlated with the gear reduction. Just like if went from a 1' breaker bar to a 2' breaker bar, The dial guage on your elbow would read exactly half of what the 1' breaker bar read given the same amount of tq at the lug nut. Going from a 3.42 to a 3.90 is a 14% difference which means you would loose 14% of your tq on the dyno and I don't think people lose that much.
I don't really have a theory for why you lose power but it may have to do with engine load. Like maybe you have more power when the engine is under a higher load. Dynos #s are also affected by wheel/tire sizes and unsprung weight. People seem to forget that Dynos are really a tuning tool and to some extent you can use the information for vehicle to vehicle comparisons but it is not 100% accurate.:cool: |
Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
(Post 1564954750)
People seem to forget that Dynos are really a tuning tool and can be used for before/after engine mod verification; but does not reflect which car would win in the 1/4 mile... just ask any disappointed Mustang owner. |
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