Balancing Flywheel, the mystery continues... please help!!
Ok i am going to be changing out my 2000 FRC's clutch/flywheel assembly with the new LS7 setup. I am going to mark the location of the old flywheel, but the same issue that i could not seem to find an answer to anywhere is still unanswered after seeing the first post on the subject of transferring weights over 7 years ago.
So does anyone know the correct answer to this?? I was told by c4c5specialist on corvette mechanic to transfer the weights to keep it in balance. I started reading on here all these other things, the repair manual used to say transfer weights, but now the newer edition says not to?? People saying theyre having problems with and without weights. So what do I do? I read that people who took their new flywheel in to get balanced to the old one had to end up cutting off the balancing pieces to make it not vibrate.... OMG im confused!!! edit: weights meaning the balancing pins in the flywheel. Thanks!! |
I dunno about all of that but when I got my flywheel balanced they "zero" balanced it by drilling small holes into the back of it to remove needed weight.
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well well well lol...
I was so fricken confused over this also I also have a 2000 frc and have the dreaded weights added to my flywheel. Mark the position of the old assembly take it and have it checked for balance, if its close to being zero balance dont add the weights if its way out then as i understand it you should balance your new setup to match the old... Im putting an ls7 clutch in i had my old setup checked and it was close so i just zero balanced the new ls7 setup |
spend a little more and get a textrailia, they come already balanced and put together. besides, LS7 really isnt that good
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Originally Posted by 02gt350
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spend a little more and get a textrailia, they come already balanced and put together. besides, LS7 really isnt that good
NOT a performance clutch by any means. Do your homework and make sure this is the clutch for you. Its meant for the masses (like anything else "stock") and makes leaving a stoplight an extremely easy manuever from all the weight it carries (roll off the pedal and go), but once in motion excess flywheel/clutch weight robs power as it must be accelerated along with the rest of the driveline. Your car will actually put down less power to the rear wheels where a different lighter clutch could add power and response (a lower inertia design). Just an FYI.... Tony |
The original post was referring to the flywheel having weight added from the factory in some early vettes making them not zero balanced. A few people have had problems when installing a zero balanced clutch... Just ask cobra4b I know the ls7 clutch is a boat anchor but, its what i could afford and with my power level it seemed like the perfect choice
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
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LS7 equals boat anchor.....reduced performance due to excessive weight and inertia losses.
NOT a performance clutch by any means. Do your homework and make sure this is the clutch for you. Its meant for the masses (like anything else "stock") and makes leaving a stoplight an extremely easy manuever from all the weight it carries (roll off the pedal and go), but once in motion excess flywheel/clutch weight robs power as it must be accelerated along with the rest of the driveline. Your car will actually put down less power to the rear wheels where a different lighter clutch could add power and response (a lower inertia design). Just an FYI.... Tony i wanted to say that, but didnt:lol: |
well i already bought the ls7 clutch/flywheel and pressure plate, and i found it for such a good deal i couldnt pass it up. I was told the whole setup was already neutrally balanced from SDPC, but I just want to know if i need to transfer the balance weights from my old setup. Do the pressure plate and flywheel need to be together to be balanced, because they came in seperate boxes?? Im really tryin to avoid taking it to get balanced...
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Hi dsipos05 -
I helped a friend do a clutch on his 99 - we removed the balance pins from the old flywheel and re-installed them in the new one per the manual. We installed a LS6 clutch. His new clutch is as smooth as silk with no vibration. If you are using a stock-replacement clutch, I would go by the manual and re-use the balance pins in the stock locations. best regards- mqqn |
When I installed my LS-7 setup I went through the same dilemma, I took the FW/PP assy to a C5 knowledgeable machinist, his opinion was the LS-7 was zero ballanced from the factory as was the motor’s rotating assy and did not need balancing. :willy:
Reluctantly I proceeded with my install. My old flywheel had at least one balancing pin it but I did NOT transfer it to the new LS-7 setup. I may have been one of the lucky one’s as the new LS-7 setup spins smooth as silk, absolutely no vibration at all. That was almost 2 years /50K mile ago and still all is well. I still think it would be prudent to have the LS-7 FW/PP checked for zero balance and would NOT transfer the old balancing pin’s to the new assy once I knew it was true. JMHO Good luck |
Originally Posted by dsipos05
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well i already bought the ls7 clutch/flywheel and pressure plate, and i found it for such a good deal i couldnt pass it up. I was told the whole setup was already neutrally balanced from SDPC, but I just want to know if i need to transfer the balance weights from my old setup. Do the pressure plate and flywheel need to be together to be balanced, because they came in seperate boxes?? Im really tryin to avoid taking it to get balanced...
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i think what im goin to do is put the balancing pins in from the old flywheel, and if it vibrates, just take out the pins. apparently i can do this without removing whole rear cradle and tranny.
But why would a new flywheel from the manufcturer not be zero balanced when they say it is? also another thing is several shops around town, including Scoggin Dickey the place i got the clutch from, said not to transfer the weights, but as u can see just from this thread alone im getting conflicting information, and I just dont know what to do!! |
Originally Posted by dsipos05
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i think what im goin to do is put the balancing pins in from the old flywheel, and if it vibrates, just take out the pins. apparently i can do this without removing whole rear cradle and tranny.
But why would a new flywheel from the manufcturer not be zero balanced when they say it is? also another thing is several shops around town, including Scoggin Dickey the place i got the clutch from, said not to transfer the weights, but as u can see just from this thread alone im getting conflicting information, and I just dont know what to do!! |
Does GM ever have to add a weight to zero balance the clutch assembly before its bolted to engine?
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Originally Posted by SDPC
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The LS7 setup is zero balanced, and that is not the issue. Some corvette rotating assemblies were not balanced properly at the factory, and on those cars they used the flywheel pins to finish balancing the engine. When you pull off the factory setup and put on a zero balanced flywheel, the engine itself isn't balanced anymore. Make sense? The problem is that the factory setup was NOT zero balanced and you are replacing it with one that is. The best thing to do -if you suspect that your engine had an incorrect balance and was corrected with flywheel weights- is to take your old setup and the new setup both to a machine shop and have them balance the new setup just like the old setup, and install it just like the old one came off. Make sense?
i just hope theres no balancing pins in the old one and my life will be so much easier!! |
Originally Posted by dsipos05
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but since im putting in a gm part that is already neutrally balanced if there are weights on the old flywheel, and I replace the balancing weights in the same location on the new flywheel, with the flywheel itself being marked and placed in the same spot as the old, arent I just doing what the shop is going to do??
i just hope theres no balancing pins in the old one and my life will be so much easier!! Most don't have the pins, you are more likely not to have them, so good luck! |
Originally Posted by SDPC
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Technically yes, but it might be troublesome if it turns out to be off after you do it.
Most don't have the pins, you are more likely not to have them, so good luck! |
I've done a bunch of LS7 clutches, there is a local here in CT 'HighRoller' he has them zero balanced at a local shop
I have also installed them out of the box .......tranferring the wts.?? put the FW's side by side, do you see the wt. holes in the same spot....... |
well thats the thing i havent taken out my old one yet, its still my daily driver till this weekend... just tryin to get as prepared as possible and i really need my car after the weekend, thats why im tryin to avoid the shops...
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If you can swing it, put a lightweight flywheel in it with the LS7 to offset some weight.
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