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snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by CorvetteMike2004 (Post 1569486563)
So when are you buying the 63?:lol:

When they fall into the 30 grand range:D

snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Pete K (Post 1569486578)
Happy to help. Most carb swap guys do not realize it is a throttle valve cable, and not a kickdown cable like the old turbo 350's.

Not a big deal to get them set up properly, but overlooked often.
If I can help, let me know.

Your Pro Mod/Top sportsman in the avatar?

856SPEED 03-29-2009 11:13 AM

only 1400+ gold ones were produced according my stat sheet...

Pete K 03-29-2009 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569486688)
Your Pro Mod/Top sportsman in the avatar?

No. It belongs to a friend of mine. Andy Jensen, of Jensen Engine Technologies.

He (actually his turbo combination) was recently tossed out of pro mod when he set the 1/8 mile recored at something like 3.96.

snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Pete K (Post 1569486940)
No. It belongs to a friend of mine. Andy Jensen, of Jensen Engine Technologies.

He (actually his turbo combination) was recently tossed out of pro mod when he set the 1/8 mile recored at something like 3.96.

My Buddy runs the old Mike Janis Cobalt. :cool:

Bruce Witherspoon 03-29-2009 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569486655)
I like the car... I don't see many Gold 85's or any other years for that matter. I already have put on a ported and polished plenium with bigger runners and a set of Hooker ceramic headers and stainless steel magnaflows...not to mention the ZR1 wheels and recovering the seats. I like being able to work on the car myself and I can't work on the fuel injection....My grandfather worked at holley for 40 years and he told me that the reason they came up with EFI is so you can't work on it.

I hope you really don't believe what you just said? If you understand fuel delivery in any way you would understand how unbelievable that statement was.

snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Bruce Witherspoon (Post 1569487495)
I hope you really don't believe what you just said? If you understand fuel delivery in any way you would understand how unbelievable that statement was.

Let's see....carb rebuild by me about 30 bucks:D New fuel injectors $250 is on the lower side and it will take all day...now lets talk about the computer.:willy: I have delt with fuel injection one other time and I hate it :( It's a huge pain in the a$$... If fuel injection is so easy why is it that Harold Martin(The man that has all the patents for EFI at GM) can't make it work on his racecar?

Master__Shake_ 03-29-2009 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569485082)
Who has switched over from TPI to a Carb and did it make a difference?
Were you able to pick up RPM's with the switch, I know I will lose mpg's but I put less than 500 miles on my vette last year...

I swapped out my EFI setup for a Holley 750 & Performer intake, and the RPMs pick up a lot better, especially 3k-5500, but because it's not an RPM intake it falls off after 5800. Don't know what your gears are, but I have 700-R4 w/3.07s and torque is plentiful all over the powerband. I'm considering a port match & portwork on the intake this year.

The main difference between the EFI and carb is drivability - it starts rough until it warms up, may be in part for the cam, but I know most carbs have trouble in the cold. I lost about 6MPG on average, down to 14 in city and 17-18 on highway. It really depends on how many RPMs you're hitting, I cruise around at over 2500 in the city so that may be why it's so low for me. :P

If you don't like EFI, and you like tinkering with carbs, I'd go for it if you're sure that's what you want. I haven't had any problems since the swap last year, and parts for the whole setup were ~$500. It's a lot cheaper to maintain a carb than all those damn sensors with the fuel injection..

CorvetteMike2024 03-29-2009 01:35 PM

tpi
 
I like my tpi. :cool:

Corvette Mike

Pete K 03-29-2009 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Master__Shake_ (Post 1569488377)
I swapped out my EFI setup for a Holley 750 & Performer intake, and the RPMs pick up a lot better, especially 3k-5500, but because it's not an RPM intake it falls off after 5800. Don't know what your gears are, but I have 700-R4 w/3.07s and torque is plentiful all over the powerband. I'm considering a port match & portwork on the intake this year.

The main difference between the EFI and carb is drivability - it starts rough until it warms up, may be in part for the cam, but I know most carbs have trouble in the cold. I lost about 6MPG on average, down to 14 in city and 17-18 on highway. It really depends on how many RPMs you're hitting, I cruise around at over 2500 in the city so that may be why it's so low for me. :P

If you don't like EFI, and you like tinkering with carbs, I'd go for it if you're sure that's what you want. I haven't had any problems since the swap last year, and parts for the whole setup were ~$500. It's a lot cheaper to maintain a carb than all those damn sensors with the fuel injection..

Your cruise rpm at 70 mph should be approx 2000 rpm. Did you get your lock up converter wired properly?
If not your trans will be running 20 degrees or more hotter at cruise speeds.

383vett 03-29-2009 02:04 PM

I carbed my 84 for a couple of years and went back to fuel injection (superam). Car ran well with a Holley double pumper. Main problem was fuel perculation after shutdown. The hood seals so well that after shutdown, the engine compartment was so hot that fuel would perculate out of the carb into the venturis. I had to cut these ducts in the hood to allow for engine cooling.


http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/f...ch11-16-08.jpg

Bruce Witherspoon 03-29-2009 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569488097)
Let's see....carb rebuild by me about 30 bucks:D New fuel injectors $250 is on the lower side and it will take all day...now lets talk about the computer.:willy: I have delt with fuel injection one other time and I hate it :( It's a huge pain in the a$$... If fuel injection is so easy why is it that Harold Martin(The man that has all the patents for EFI at GM) can't make it work on his racecar?

If the carb is easier for you and more affordable, then that is the way should definately go. Sorry to hear that he can't make the fuel injection work. I can tell you that I have raced a fuel injection C4 for years and along with many others, have seemed to make it work just fine.

http://www.autoimagery.com/store/cgi...ch=witherspoon

Iroc57 03-29-2009 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by 383vett (Post 1569488814)
I carbed my 84 for a couple of years and went back to fuel injection (superam). Car ran well with a Holley double pumper. Main problem was fuel perculation after shutdown. The hood seals so well that after shutdown, the engine compartment was so hot that fuel would perculate out of the carb into the venturis. I had to cut these ducts in the hood to allow for engine cooling.


http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/f...ch11-16-08.jpg


I had the same issue on mine so I had to remove the hood seal to let the heat out.

snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bruce Witherspoon (Post 1569489063)
If the carb is easier for you and more affordable, then that is the way should definately go. Sorry to hear that he can't make the fuel injection work. I can tell you that I have raced a fuel injection C4 for years and along with many others, have seemed to make it work just fine.

http://www.autoimagery.com/store/cgi...ch=witherspoon

I can't even get the back bolt on the drivers side bottom of the runner out:( I have tried swivels, extensions and I don't see how to get at it without removing the wipermotor. I by no way am saying one is better than the other and would like to make the TPI work but :willy:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...take-swap.html

Bruce Witherspoon 03-29-2009 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569489581)
I can't even get the back bolt on the drivers side bottom of the runner out:( I have tried swivels, extensions and I don't see how to get at it without removing the wipermotor. I by no way am saying one is better than the other and would like to make the TPI work but :willy:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...take-swap.html

I'm not down the street, but I am local as you can see. If there is anything that I can offer, let me know.

383vett 03-29-2009 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bruce Witherspoon (Post 1569489748)
I'm not down the street, but I am local as you can see. If there is anything that I can offer, let me know.

Use a ball socket 6mm allen on a 1/4"" 6mm socket. I cut one and made my own.

snowmanmdp 03-29-2009 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by 383vett (Post 1569490650)
Use a ball socket 6mm allen on a 1/4"" 6mm socket. I cut one and made my own.

6mm allen will work on a 40 torx bit?:o

WesTenRacing 03-29-2009 05:17 PM

Did any of you have carb/air cleaner to hood clearance issues?

mgbss 03-29-2009 05:26 PM

You have a PM

Joe

rodj 03-29-2009 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by snowmanmdp (Post 1569486207)
Nothing comes up. :crazy:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...highlight=carb

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...highlight=carb

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...highlight=carb

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...e-to-carb.html


Originally Posted by Never Satisfied (Post 1569486237)
Maybe a dumb question, but why would the distributor need switched out?

Because the spark advance on the TPI one is controlled by the ECM


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