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mstrnad 05-13-2010 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by printmanjackson (Post 1574056665)
I see your block is already drilled and tapped for the timing chain dampener. Is the spacing for the old style or new style?

From memory, those whole were already there and I don't believe they were tapped. I didn't have any plans to put a timing chain damper and maybe I should've.

To answer your question, honestly, I really don't know if its for the old or new style.

mstrnad 05-13-2010 03:07 PM

All Good
 
So I spoke to Jason at EnglandGreen and 81c3 hit it on the spot. Oil Pressure is normal, and the erratic behavior can simply been resolved by a tune. So this afternoon, I'll go back and start the break-in procedure with 30 minutes of varied 2000-2500rpm.

Thanks guys for answering my questions. :thumbs: Now I just have to wait for my LG Headers, schedule a tune, and post up some HP numbers.

So for my final thoughts on the cam install was tedious, fun, and time consuming. I've learned a lot throughout the whole process and its been pretty much a great experience. After getting the Harmonic Balancer installed, putting everything else on was just a reverse procedure of taking it off. I did have some corrosion and rust built up on some of my bolts, but thats nothing that PB blaster and a wire brush can't handle. :cheers:

81c3 05-14-2010 08:53 AM

No need for a break in period. Roller cams and roller rockers are very hard steel. These arent like old school cam/lifters where the procedure you describe is protocol. Just warm up the engine to a reasonable temperature and drive. Before you hammer on it, be sure its up to full temperature. The valve springs will thank you for it.
:cheers:

20vette0107fatboy 05-15-2010 07:44 AM

cant wait to see your numbers......Hurry up mike...LOL

mstrnad 05-15-2010 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by 81c3 (Post 1574069349)
No need for a break in period. Roller cams and roller rockers are very hard steel. These arent like old school cam/lifters where the procedure you describe is protocol. Just warm up the engine to a reasonable temperature and drive. Before you hammer on it, be sure its up to full temperature. The valve springs will thank you for it.
:cheers:

Ah...cool. Just following directions from Comp Cams. I'm well aware that I'm not supposed to go WOT on cold springs, and definitely keep that in mind. Thanks


cant wait to see your numbers......Hurry up mike...LOL
Either can I Dan...Who knows when my headers are coming in. In the meantime, I'll just start my car up every once in awhile just hear the music to my ears. ;)

81c3 05-15-2010 11:26 AM

[QUOTE=mstrnad;1574079906]Ah...cool. Just following directions from Comp Cams. I'm well aware that I'm not supposed to go WOT on cold springs, and definitely keep that in mind. Thanks

I should have said roller cams and roller lifters.... :crazy: Anyway, theres no break in period for them. :thumbs:

mstrnad 05-15-2010 11:30 AM

DEI Heat Shield Install
 
This probably was the easiest of everything I've done so far. I cannot wait until the day were I can store pens in my center console without them bursting. :ack:

So what I've done first was clean the original heat shield for the C5. So I just used warm water and 0000 steal pads.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53329

Then I started making a template and outlining where I'm going to cut. I just used the heat shield to trace the lines. To cover the sides of the tunnel, I just allocated 4" of space. To "flap down" the DEI heat shield to bolt the C5 heat shield back to the car, I probably left maybe 1 1/2" of space.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53332


Now there is two areas were you DO NOT want to remove the plastic. If you do, prepare for some swearing and kicking yourself in the a$$ for doing so, this stuff is sticky!:willy: The area were you do not want to take the plastic off is where the bolts originally go to hold up the heat shield and the outside(sides) of the heat shield. The only area is the center of the DEI heat shield were the C5 heat shield will go. Just make sure you apply the DEI stuff on the correct side of the C5 heat shield. I just looked at the C5 heat shield for scuff marks made by the bolts to figure out which side it goes on, or its the lip side up.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53330

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53328

Installed on the car:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53331

mstrnad 05-15-2010 11:49 AM

Bilstein Sport Shock Install
 
This was also easy with the help of PB Blaster on the top bolts of the shocks. Sorry for the lack of pictures of this one. I went through 3 of the 4 shocks and have forgotten to take pictures. But here is a summary of what I did.

Rear Shocks
I don't know what people have done to get the rear shock off, but I use a tow strap to compress the shock and snake it out of place. Prior to that, I just removed the bottom bolt first, and then removed the top two. If you do it the opposite way(top first, then bottom), you run the risk of stripping your bolts against the top plate when you take off the tops. The a-arms will want to drop 2-3 inches when the top bolts are taken off. Or if you want to put a jack underneath the bottom a-arm to keep the a-arms in place. No removal of A-arms were required for the rears, and I used the original bushings for the Bilsteins. To take the bushings and plate off, I had to use two open ended wrenches, from memory I believe it was a 6mm and 16mm. 6mm was to keep the long bolt from spinning while taking the nut off with a 16mm wrench.

Front Shocks
This was even easier than the rears. First, I removed the bottom two bolts, and then removed the top bolt that holds the shock in place(same case with the rear shock, 6mm and 16mm open end wrenches). After that I took the top a-arms off and moved the shock out of place.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53327

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/pict...ictureid=53326

mstrnad 05-15-2010 11:57 AM

Cam Start Up
 
I thought I would post a video of the car starting up. Now this car is still untuned, and my LT headers are still not on, and yes I know my rear exhaust tips are crooked and not on straight. They are coming back off anyways. :thumbs:


20vette0107fatboy 05-15-2010 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by mstrnad (Post 1574080621)
I thought I would post a video of the car starting up. Now this car is still untuned, and my LT headers are still not on, and yes I know my rear exhaust tips are crooked and not on straight. They car coming back off anyways. :thumbs:


Very nice mike. Sounds dam good. I already bought my 5/16 rod to hold up my lifters..LOL The wife said what are them for, and i told her. She said dan, you better not have bought that cam kit yet. You promised me that you would take me on vacation first.Which i did. But she dont know the little stach of $ i got saved for it. HEHE. I cant WAIT......

Cajundude 05-15-2010 10:45 PM

Hi Mike,

When you called I didn't realize the car was running without headers installed. Aside from the tune, yes, when the headers go on it is going to run different then it does now. Do not tune the car until you get the headers put on and call me if you have any more questions.:thumbs:

You are right about the springs. Don't do any WOT until your oil temp is roughly 140.:cheers:

Jason

mstrnad 05-16-2010 03:19 AM


Originally Posted by 20vette0107fatboy (Post 1574080787)
Very nice mike. Sounds dam good. I already bought my 5/16 rod to hold up my lifters..LOL The wife said what are them for, and i told her. She said dan, you better not have bought that cam kit yet. You promised me that you would take me on vacation first.Which i did. But she dont know the little stach of $ i got saved for it. HEHE. I cant WAIT......

Thanks...make sure you cut them to 21" to you'll have a hard time getting them in there, which the A/C Condenser can get in your way. So if you took her on vacation, whats the holdup. Get on the horn with EnglandGreen and order yourself some Whiplash.:cheers:

mstrnad 05-16-2010 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by Cajundude@EnglandGreen (Post 1574085102)
Hi Mike,

When you called I didn't realize the car was running without headers installed. Aside from the tune, yes, when the headers go on it is going to run different then it does now. Do not tune the car until you get the headers put on and call me if you have any more questions.:thumbs:

You are right about the springs. Don't do any WOT until your oil temp is roughly 140.:cheers:

Jason

Thats my plan. I really wanted to get it started to find out if everything went ok rather than finding out something is wrong when I put my LT headers on. I did drive it around my subdivision, and well, it dies when I let off the throttle. So, driving it to the tuner will not be a possbility. I'll just have to get it towed instead.

Thanks for the post.:cheers:

mstrnad 05-16-2010 03:36 AM

Car Update
 
Well, I didn't have a chance to put my C6Z51 sway bars on today. I took pics of them and wow, they are much beefier than the stocks.

What I did get to was installing the AEM UEGO partially. Thanks to lucky131969 in pointing me in the right direction, I ended up using the ASRY OFF circuit near the passenger fuse box. And the best thing is, there were 3 wires just sitting there waiting to be used. So my interior of my car is completely taken apart and I ran the wires from the pillar to my power and ground wires. I actually had to go to the hardware store and buy an extra 5 feet of wires to meet the run. The wideband wire was also ran from the UEGO unit, through the firewall, and is now sitting on top of my engine bay. I'll have some pictures put up tomorrow(today) showing the install. The UEGO powered up, so its just buttoning everything back up.

I also wanted to use the blue wire that can be used for data logging, so I'll have to MacGyver that up too. So my thoughts would be to run the blue(data) and black(ground) to a DB-9(just as it says in the instructions) and keep it in my glove box for future use.

mstrnad 05-16-2010 04:14 PM

B&B Bullets restoration
 
Ok guys...I'm going to spend some TLC on my B&B Bullets, obviously, looking at the pics of the exhaust they look old.

What do you guys typically do to restore it to almost brand new condition?'
:cheers:

zeevette 05-16-2010 04:51 PM

As much as I love LG, I wouldn't wait two months for headers to become available. If what I've read is true, the "Superpro" model is made in China, and nowhere near the quality of their original "Pro", or "Street" models. They must be considerably cheaper than other models of LG, or competing brands that're %100 stainless construction, or you wouldn't have ordered them, right? Since the headers are such a holdup, why don't you cancel the order, and get something like OBX, which are SS, but still cheap. BTW, your console overheating problem will likely go away if you install a complete exhaust system that eliminates the factory cats. Either the O/R catless, or HF cats don't seem to radiate the heat like the factory cats, so the heatshield won't be needed.

mstrnad 05-16-2010 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by zeevette (Post 1574090669)
As much as I love LG, I wouldn't wait two months for headers to become available. If what I've read is true, the "Superpro" model is made in China, and nowhere near the quality of their original "Pro", or "Street" models. They must be considerably cheaper than other models of LG, or competing brands that're %100 stainless construction, or you wouldn't have ordered them, right? Since the headers are such a holdup, why don't you cancel the order, and get something like OBX, which are SS, but still cheap. BTW, your console overheating problem will likely go away if you install a complete exhaust system that eliminates the factory cats. Either the O/R catless, or HF cats don't seem to radiate the heat like the factory cats, so the heatshield won't be needed.

Thank zeevette...I have been considering on dropping the LG Super Pros(because of long wait) and getting something like OBX. I did see c5 bearsfan write up on them and actually may consider them.

With regards to the head shield, its already on. Doesn't hurt to keep them on either. But its good to know that the catless or HF cats don't radiate as much heat as the stock ones do.

deadcafe 05-17-2010 10:58 AM

Next week I will be swapping my 75k Z51 shocks out for a set of 16k 02 Z06 shocks. How long did this take you? I will have a lift and tools for the swap. I also need to swap out my Transaxle mount, I figure that while I have the rear shocks off I might as well do it then. any thoughts?

mstrnad 05-17-2010 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by deadcafe (Post 1574096750)
Next week I will be swapping my 75k Z51 shocks out for a set of 16k 02 Z06 shocks. How long did this take you? I will have a lift and tools for the swap. I also need to swap out my Transaxle mount, I figure that while I have the rear shocks off I might as well do it then. any thoughts?

The Bilsteins took me about two and a half hours. I had to fight a lot of rust on the bolts that hold the top shocks onto the car for the front, and the plates of the rear. If yours are not rusty, then it shouldn't take you that long.

Ikester 05-17-2010 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by 81c3 (Post 1574069349)
No need for a break in period. .
:cheers:

I thought new valve springs needs 2-3 heat cycles? :bigears


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