B&B shorty headers
 

Anyone have some installed photos of them and opinions? I currently have long tubes, but am thinking about swapping them for these so as not to deal with all the visual smog hassles. I know the shorties are not much of an improvement over the cast iron manifolds, but on my '99 the original manifolds were the stamped ones that look as though they flow very poorly compared to the later ones.
The long tubes made a very noticable difference. Probably more so on a car like mine vs. a one with the cast iron manifolds.
thanks

You may be better off picking up a set of 2001 and up exhaust manifolds for cheap, as they flow about as well as shorties for a stock engine.

I only have a pic of them installed from above....

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/p...rtyheaders.jpg

I installed these for the looks, for heat (they are ceramic coated) and to offset some of the weight of my KB supercharger. Plus I wanted to remain CARB compliant. As the shorty haters will point out, they will not give significant performance gains.

Good Luck.... :cheers:

You can also get a pairs of Z06 stock headers--they are better than the stock stainless designed ones as they look like a shorty headers with individual runners and a small collector--I used them for a few years before i got my LT's -- showed about 10-12 RWHP over the stock ones--But you'll need to take the car to have them installed as the angle of the outlets are differnt than the stainless ones and adapters need to be fabbed up--

I just installed a set.. I like them.. Ive owned shorties for all my performance cars.. I chose shorties for the same reason as you..a way to "Optimize" the system but still pass SMOG...

Bottom line is that I like them.. the SOTP dyno could feel a diffrence but I have no actuall measurment to quantify.. an optimized system is an koptimized system.. their TONS lighter that the stockers... get them used!

I got em and I like em... looks better than any stock C5 manifold. My B&B's plus a CAI got me 335 at the wheels at Lingenfelgers (stock motor).:cheers:

I got some as a gift and installed them in about 4 hours. the installation is pretty simple, and you don't have to modify the exhaust. but i had to install a new dipstick tube, and extend the air tube, as they were for 01+, and i have a 99. they change the sound of the exhaust a little bit, and they also add a little power. they also save something like 35lbs from switching them with the stock manifolds. sorry no pics right now, but i can say they are about the best shorties u can get, and you will never have problems with corrosion.

Thanks for all the replies. The cast iron manifolds I am not interested in simply because of weight.
My car currently is really strong in the torque dept, idles like stock, and is overall a please to drive both in traffic and on the road course. If I had thought about the shorties a year or so ago I would have went with a bigger cam to offset the loss from my longtubes. In any case I'll consider the B&B shorties.
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I like them because of the weight and they look good:

http://www.pewterc5.com/images/camin...Assembly-4.jpg

http://www.pewterc5.com/images/camin...Assembly-4.jpg

I have these on my 99 FRC. Going 383 stroker and LTs. Mine are for sale in a couple of weeks.
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Why are you selling and how much are you asking?
Personally, I don't like the silver coating. I prefer no coating if stainless and I use black jet hot on mild steel exhaust.

Putting in a 383 short block, ported heads and long tubes. $500
Thanks

Not sure if you'll see a gain over 02+ Z06 Exhaust Manifolds, but if you're interested, I'm selling them for $75 + shipping.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-p...pe-w-cats.html

They do indeed look very nice,but $500 bucks just for looks is a bit steep for me!

I had a set installed latst weekend... and on the ride home I could tell that performance wise it was diffrent....

I havent driven the car since last sunday (its a garage queen now since I got a truck to drive everyday), and I drove it this morning.. I'll confirm that there is a HUGE diffrence ove stock... more grunt down low.. louder growl when my righht foot is down.... Now.. I didn spend 500 buck for a new set ~225 + 200 to have them ceramic coated... but Im feeling like i did when I got a set of shorties for my Camaro... Its money well spent.. LT's would be better... but LT's arent legal in in CA.

My advise.. get a set and moveon to the next MOD...

let me know when you are ready to sell. I'll probably take them. I don't see any c.a.r.b. tags welded on them nor do I see anything about them being smog legal on the B&B site. How will I convince the smog shop that they are legal here in CA without any c.a.r.b. number? If I can't pass smog here with them then there is no reason for me to isntall them.

My car goes into the shop in early March. I also have them on Kijiji locally. If you still are interested then I will contact you and send them out!
Brad
403-689-8607
bradld@shaw.ca

As long as they are c.a.r.b. legal and have the correct tags I'll take them.

There should be a plate on one of the tubes (#3 I think) on the driver side that has the CARB EO#.

When I had mine ceramic coated, they coated right over the plate. I got B&B to send me another plate and I glued it over the coated plate with a high temp adhesive.

If the headers aren't labelled, they'll have no way to say that they are the headers belonging to the CARB #.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php

CARB EO# D-506-2


:cheers:

good info, thanks. I looked through that site and there is an e.o. # for the B&B shorties. Now I just need to make sure if I get a set they have the number on them.

The carb number does not apply to the Z06... I put mine on anyway... they look pretty stock under there... Im hoping that a tech IF he calls me on them wont dig anydeeper that asking for the CARB number and wont read the fine print....

I ran Longtubes personally , but have seen several dyno results on the shorties. Ignore the haters espescially in your situation where it is a hassle to have long tubes. The short tubes are not far off Longtubes for peak power on engines running up to 450rwhp but tend to show less hp in the lower RPM.

Boy am I glad we dont have any emission testing here! :D

:iagree: I have ceramic coated B&B shorties, and a Callaway Honker CAI...both of which have CARB EO#'s, but both of which are not for the C5"Z" application. Just had my car smogged about a month ago, and I had those EO#'s ready to go...they didn't see the mods because they look fairly stock.

MTPZ06, if you have dyno numbers I'd like to compare. I have a '99 but I've added LS6 intake and unported heads as well as a cam very similar to the LS6 along with the longtubes. I'm guessing my longtubes are worth 25-30 rwhp over stock. I'd bet the shorties are half that which is fair.

Tuned by Ryne at CMS...he remarked that my car felt "strong" on the dyno, and he's on here all the time saying that his dyno is "stingy". Nevertheless, I was very pleased with his results.

390.1 rwhp
374.4 wrtq

so just honker intake and the shorty headers on an otherwise stock LS6 or do you have other modifications?
What type of dyno?
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but when I had mine tuned it was about 385rwhp and 395 rwtq(dynojet). Lots of low end, but my cam is a bit more tailored for torque vs. the LS6 cam. I've got the honker on mine as well.

B&B Shorty Headers
 

I have B&B shortys on my 2000. Car made 398RWHP 390RWtorque with ported 243 heads and a mild cam. I live in California so long tubes are not an option. I like them they are one of the only tuned shorty headers out there I have found. They fit well and the quality is very good. Not as good as a long tube but better than stock and a are C.A.R.B certified. Car passes smog with no problems.

Which mid-pipe are you using?

using a stock 49 state mid pipe with factory cats(no pup cats) with a Magnaflow X pipe and Corsa Pace exhaust.

Aside from a Bassani X-pipe, no. I don't recall what dyno CMS uses?

What kind of change in exhaust note are you guys getting?

Here is a vid of my current setup - B&B Shorties, Bassani front O/R X pipe, rear Basanni X pipe, B&B route 66s

http://s1234.photobucket.com/albums/...dCamSwap40.mp4

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/...d/99FRC148.jpg

The shorty header is a good alternative for someone like yourself that doesn't what to deal with the emissions issue as all of the B&B C5 shorty headers are CARB certified, EO# D-506-2. If you need a CARB sticker with the EO# on it just let me know and I can out one in the mail to you.

As for performance increases you will not see as much as with a long tube headers but we did see increases that run from the low to upper teens depending on the year.

for those interested I dealt with B&B offline and their customer service is outstanding!

I just got my BBK shorties in the mail last week, I wanted longtubes, but I am poor. Some bros are coming over in a couple weeks to install. I think they might be OK for CA, but I may be wrong. I'll keep posted the results.

But truth is in the details... does that CARB extend to z06 models as well?

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...eo/D-506-2.pdf

And I'll take you up on your offer...

A. Pitts
**** Rewmoved for privacy***
San Diego, CA. 92126

"And I'll take you up on your offer..."

Tag and label are in the mail.

Thank you sir....

I do enjoy the headers.... looking down on them its difficult to tell if their stock or not.. I didnt have mine coated with teh "Chrome" like coating.. I used simple silver.. they look stock in there

B&B Shorties needed for NorCal ASAP
 

Are your B&B shorty C5 headers still available, we need a little bit more CARB legal power and sound for our CARB legal Z06 build.
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